Breaking news: Syria has been liberated from Assad’s dictatorship

[PurpleTree]

 

[PurpleTree]

 

[zazen]

1 hour ago, zazen said:

It’s strange there was barely any resistance or push back from Russia / Iran and Assad’s forces. It seems they were overwhelmed and Russia / Iran stood down after having agreed upon who knows what.

Let’s hope Syria can consolidate itself and rebuild. My friends from Homs who are abroad are all celebrating with glee - understandably. Many Syrians know someone who’s been taken in or killed by Assad.

It’s understandable why people automatically assume the worst about whoever the West backs as history is littered with examples of disastrous interventions. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - they back a faction, topple a government, and leave chaos in the wake.

Syria complicates this reflexive cynicism because some factions claim to represent the will of the majority, fighting against Assad’s oppressive regime. The problem is that even when the West backs a valid cause, their track record of turning allies into pawns for imperial ambitions makes it hard to believe motives are pure.

If these factions are who they claim to be - reformed moderates wanting to unify the country - all well. People aren’t rejecting these factions outright - they’re rejecting the baggage that comes with Western support. It’s sold as liberation when really it’s subservience to those who funded your uprising.

The West’s involvement taints the cause. It’s hard to separate genuine liberation movements from imperial imposition when history shows the latter almost always dominates.

Another thing thats hard to parse is how natural movements and causes are. Real grassrooots movements get hijacked and amplified to something larger they naturally are - and may not represent the will of the majority. Some causes not only get amplified, but metastasize into something very different to serve different interests.

So reflexive skepticism of Western involvement isn’t paranoia, it’s awareness of the track record. People need sovereignty, not saviours who will twist their causes into imperial ambition.

 

Syrian Armed Forces (Assads corner): 300’000+

HTS (rebels): 15-30’000

They had a 10:1 ratio, yet it wasn’t a Sparta battle where the rebels won against an outsized enemy. It resembled a coup of Assad.

Edited December 8 by zazen

[Bobby_2021]

Imagine thinking that the Al-qaeda, the same terrorist group that did 9/11 will help the country of Syria prosper. I just can't. 

I predict bad times ahead. Very bad times. Seems like we are just getting started. 

@zazen The whole thing is sus. Not making any claims until I have proof. Lately been seeing more of these coups everywhere.

Imagine if we did not see Nuland distributing cookies and her leaked calls, we would think it was an organic coup even though there were striking aspects of systematic regime change operations. The same is happening here in Syria 2024 and I wonder how much of these is concealed from us.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

44 minutes ago, zazen said:

 

Exactly my thoughts. Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham used to be part of Al-Qaeda. The rebels are more aligned with Al-Qaeda ideologically.

Edited December 8 by Husseinisdoingfine

[Husseinisdoingfine]

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Mohammad_al-Julani

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

[PurpleTree]

Russian, French, German and US reaction on the overthrow 

 

On Julani

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

But what comes next?

@Leo Gura 

If you’re confused about what comes next, we worked on a thread containing dozens of Wikipedia links about the rebels, what they want and what is their ideology.

 

Edited December 8 by Husseinisdoingfine

[PurpleTree]

7 hours ago, integration journey said:
Let’s just see what happens in the next few days. 

Yea i agree let’s just wait and see what happens in the next few years. I hope Syria becomes safe and many Syrian refugees in Europe and Turkey etc. can go home and build their country back up.

[Raze]

I think the US and Israel know something we don’t about HTS.

If you look at the leaders Wikipedia you’d expect them to be panicking. Yet if anything they seem oddly welcoming of it. They probably have some assurance he will be more on their side. 

[Bobby_2021]

13 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Yea i agree let’s just wait and see what happens in the next few years. I hope Syria becomes safe and many Syrian refugees in Europe and Turkey etc. can go home and build their country back up.

Yes of course. Al-quada and HTS welcome them back with open arms and lots of love.

[integration journey]

4 hours ago, Bobby_2021 said:

"Did Iraq become a flourishing democracy post-Saddam. How about Afghanistan post-Taliban. How about Libya post-Gaddafi. I'm sure Syria post-Assad will be a successful regime change operation.

20 straight years of this stuff and people still don't get it."

 

Dude, Syria has its own complex makeup of history, politics, people and future. Non Syrians don’t understand this. 
you can’t apply other countries conclusions to a country like Syria.
 

[integration journey]

22 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

Yes of course. Al-quada and HTS welcome them back with open arms and lots of love.

Stop making lies. Al quada does not exit in Syria anymore. I’m Syrian and I know 

[integration journey]

2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Mohammad_al-Julani

 

Bullshit tweet, who the F*** is this guy again? 
 

Edited December 8 by integration journey
Clarity

[integration journey]

@Bobby_2021 you don’t understand the Syrian situation enough. I have lived through  it for the last 14 years and I’m happy AF just like other Syrians. Don’t pretend like you know something me a Syrian don’t know. Please do more research before commenting on Syria. Your responses are coming off as myopic and pessimistic. 

[integration journey]

2 hours ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Exactly my thoughts. Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham used to be part of Al-Qaeda. The rebels are more aligned with Al-Qaeda ideologically.

Dude, the rebels are more moderate than 10 years ago. We learned our lesson. 
I’m part of the rebels, do you think I will be with fucking Al- qaeda and on an actualized forum?! 
please stop posting bullshit tweets. 

[integration journey]

[integration journey]

Another myth 

[Scholar]

14 minutes ago, integration journey said:

Dude, the rebels are more moderate than 10 years ago. We learned our lesson. 
I’m part of the rebels, do you think I will be with fucking Al- qaeda and on an actualized forum?! 
please stop posting bullshit tweets. 

Remember what happened in Iran?