Is progressivism dead, Leo?

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26 minutes ago, aurum said:

1) The democrats focused plenty on economics

No, they didn’t. At best they did Obamacare, a republican program, and in some ways made the issues worse like with certain trade deals hollowing out manufacturing.

26 minutes ago, aurum said:

2) Identity politics IS the heart of progressivism!

To be a progressive essentially just means you care about marginalized, oppressed groups and making things more equal for everyone. That’s it.

To do that, you necessarily divide people into different identity groups based on relative oppression. 

99% of the complaining about identity politics is just people who can’t handle the progressive value system. Ironically, you yourself are not appreciating what progressivism means when you say you should not focus on IP and just do economic populism. There is no economic populism without IP.

It’s like you want progressivism without all the things that actually make progressives. 

So the fact that people can’t handle IP is exactly the reason it’s incorrect that the dems needing to push even further left. 

 

Because identity politics aren’t popular, but economic populism is. Democrats went the identity politics route and lost, when they should have gone the populist economic route and won.

27 minutes ago, aurum said:

 

He was still plenty centrist. And that should give you a clue about how unfeasible being a progressive is.

Consider the reason that leftists end up pivoting center at some point is because that’s what is feasible.

Except you said democrats don’t go progressive because they can’t win, but they actually campaign as more progressive then they will administer to win. 

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3 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Maybe the Democrats might’ve won if Harris ran more to the left, but you don’t know that for certain. 

Again, the primary obvious factors that cause Harris and the Democrats to lose were the explosion of unprecedented misinformation/internet brainwashing, Dems’ faulty media strategy in a fractious media environment world wide anti-incumbent over inflation and the establishment, racism, misogyny, xenophobia (especially after the historic immigration surge under Biden and the Democrats), Harris having run a very late and short campaign, and less party unity amongst Dems than we thought.

I don’t see how a much stronger and more talented candidate than Harris could’ve defeated Trump and his party.

The only way the Dems could’ve had a better shot was having a much better media strategy in this new Age media environment. 

No, Kamala lost partially due to losing votes from demographics that voted for Hillary and Obama, it isn’t primarily racism and sexism.

The media lost trust because of pushing false information such as Biden not having age problems.

The short campaign wasn’t the main issue as Kamala was actually surging at first, she faltered as she chose to pivot to the center and campaign with Liz Cheney while also refusing to say she’ll be different from Biden who has become very unpopular.

The Democratic Party was unified, but it unified but expelling popular movements which made them lose Support.

Edited December 8, 2024 by Raze