Why Are Asian Countries Becoming So Materialistic And Moving Away From Spirituality So Fast?

[Loreena]

@Prabhaker Well saide brother. Your comment should be the "comment of the century."

Edited May 8, 2017 by Loreena

[Key Elements]

6 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

charge against me. It has always been so.

What? Really?

6 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

If Jesus had been tactful, he could have saved himself, But then there would have been no Christ also. And that would have been a greater murder. 

Ok. You're right. He wasn't. There was Jesus, Buddha, and all these other masters who were not tactful. We all know them. However, let me just tell you, it was due to them and tactfulness of others that I discovered myself deeper. I'm sure it's like this for others too. It wasn't just the main prophets. If I knew only Jesus and Buddha, I wouldn't be in this forum. But, yes, I do give them a lot of credit.

[Prabhaker]

12 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

What? Really?

Now I live alone, away from society to continue my journey.

15 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

It wasn't just the main prophets. If I knew only Jesus and Buddha, I wouldn't be in this forum.

All other tactful spiritual teachers are there because of message given by true masters. Without them tactful spiritual teachers can't exist.

[Key Elements]

@Prabhaker Great talking to you. Nice conversation. Maybe Leo can do a video on this - being tactful and save the ego or sacrifice the ego?  I think he already did that in his recent Hero's Journey video - Truth and ego sometimes can't go together. Sometimes ego has to die completely, meaning sacrifice of self and death of the person/master.

I really like these Hero's Journey videos. However, I wish the Hero didn't have to die. It makes me think that we're still in the backward stages - purple/red - if it happens in real life.

I have to think about what you said. We live in a different "time."

Edited May 8, 2017 by Key Elements

[Key Elements]

Monsoons are here.

[Ramu]

@Clint Eastwood it is.  I know a lot of Indians from work and socializing, and none of them know or even care about Vedanta, spirituality or consciousness work.  Stunning, and sad.

[Prabhaker]

7 hours ago, Ramu said:

 I know a lot of Indians from work and socializing, and none of them know or even care about Vedanta, spirituality or consciousness work.  Stunning, and sad.

Two hundred years of British dominance in India created a great gap. Most of its links with the ancient knowledge and wisdom were broken, and its identity was established with a totally new civilization and culture with which its older civilization had no relationship. Indians think that theirs is a very old civilization, but they are mistaken; they are only a two hundred year old community. The British are now a far older community than the Indians. Whatever knowledge India has is just rubbish, and that too is just left-overs. That which the West chooses to give India is now its knowledge. Whatever India knew before two hundred years ago was lost in one stroke.

In this country there have been hundreds of foreign invasions, but no invader could ever attack the vital core. Some invaders looked for wealth, some occupied land, others captured palaces and forts, but none could attack the interiority of India – the attention of invaders was not drawn towards it. But then, for the first time, attacks were made of its interiority by Western civilization. The easiest way to attack it was to disconnect the country from its long history, and to destroy the past. A gap was created between the people and their history. 

The real basis of all cultures is its sources of knowledge. The roots of a civilization are in its long chain of knowledge. If the history of just two generations is taken away, a country will become cut off from all possibilities of further progress.

[Ramu]

@Prabhaker  ok i understand your point, but Im an American, and Ive heard of Vedanta and the Upanishads.  Indians are less aware of it?  Theyve never heard of Maharshi?@Clint Eastwood it is.  I know a lot of Indians from work and socializing, and none of them know or even care about Vedanta, spirituality or consciousness work.  Stunning, and sad.

[Key Elements]

@Prabhaker Too bad guys don't wear dhotis anymore. They look cute in it.

[Prabhaker]

2 hours ago, Key Elements said:

Too bad guys don't wear dhotis anymore. They look cute in it.

Some of them still wear dhoti !

[Key Elements]

@Prabhaker Hey, I know that Salman is hot on the outside. I just don't like him on the inside. 

But, what I was really referring to is you commenting on the British government in India in the past. We all know what happened. That sexy fashion was lost in that time for men. If you want to put on a dhoti - awesome! Don't care what anyone think. If you want to study and teach spirituality, great. Don't care what anyone think.

I saw this inspirational video on Leo's blog...

( Btw, Gandhi didn't care how he dressed, no matter who he visited, not even the queen. Too bad that didn't catch on. )

Edited May 11, 2017 by Key Elements

[Key Elements]

@Prabhaker I understand what you were saying. It happened in history. But, are you sure that they were the biggest invaders? (I think I disagree here.) You probably understand what I'm saying.

Anyway, our job right now is not to dwell on the past. If you can teach spirituality in effective ways, do so. I'm talking about not just in the forum. 

If we are truly on stage orange of society, there is no need to make such a big sacrifice to our lives to get attention, right? Because to stage orange ppl, it looks 'crazy' and 'cult-like' and 'woo-woo.' It could draw the wrong attention. Tactfulness may be more effective. Try that first before going on a Hero's Journey of sacrifice. 

[Prabhaker]

5 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

But, are you sure that they were the biggest invaders?

No, they were the most intelligent. They attacked on existing education system of India. 

[Prabhaker]

16 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

If we are truly on stage orange of society, there is no need to make such a big sacrifice to our lives to get attention, right?

Don't judge what is sacrifice and what is being tactful. Mainstream society can think that a mystic is sacrificing his life, a mystic perfectly knows that materialists are sacrificing their lives.

[Key Elements]

53 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

Don't judge what is sacrifice and what is being tactful. Mainstream society can think that a mystic is sacrificing his life, a mystic perfectly knows that materialists are sacrificing their lives.

I'm not judging anything. I'm trying to explain something without this thread going into a debate. 

You know how you were talking about Tibet and how the world just watches on? I hate to say this, but something is happening in Myanmar. 

The main point is, it's hard to get through to the materialist no matter what the mystic do now.

Anyway, continue the journey. Take it step by step. We're just onlookers. There's nothing we could do unless we continue our journey. 

Edited May 12, 2017 by Key Elements

[Key Elements]

@Prabhaker What do you know about the Brahma Kamal Flower spiritually? (I'm not looking for factual info, like where is it from.)

[Prabhaker]

20 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

What do you know about the Brahma Kamal Flower spiritually?

    Brahma Kamal, named after Brahma, the God of Creation. There is a story that the lotus arose from the navel of God Vishnu, and at the center of the flower sat Brahma. It is long held belief that anybody who sees this rare flower blooming will have all his or her wishes fulfilled. 

      The lotus is grows out of dirty mud and floats in water. It is a water flower, but the miracle is that the water never touches its petals. A sannyasin is a man who lives in the world, but remains untouched by it. Who remains with all kinds of unconscious people, one has to remain with these people, there are no other kind, but who remains untouched, unaffected.

     You may have seen Buddha statues of Buddha sitting on a lotus, of Vishnu standing on a lotus. The lotus lives in the lake and yet the water cannot touch it. It lives in the water and yet remains untouched by the water. The lotus represents the witnessing quality of your being: you live in the world, but you remain a witness. You remain in the world and yet you are not part of it. You participate and yet you are not part of it. You are in the world, but the world is not in you.

[Key Elements]

49 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

    Brahma Kamal, named after Brahma, the God of Creation. There is a story that the lotus arose from the navel of God Vishnu, and at the center of the flower sat Brahma. It is long held belief that anybody who sees this rare flower blooming will have all his or her wishes fulfilled. 

Ok..cool.

49 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

The lotus is grows out of dirty mud and floats in water. It is a water flower, but the miracle is that the water never touches its petals. 

Are you sure it's a lotus? I don't know if we are talking about the same flower.

This is the plant I'm talking about:

It comes out in the night, only for 2 hrs (on average). Blooms once in 14 yrs. Yes, it's a very rare sight.

[Prabhaker]

17 minutes ago, Key Elements said:

It comes out in the night, only for 2 hrs (on average). Blooms once in 14 yrs. Yes, it's a very rare sight.

This is a while lotus , some people claim that it is Brahma Kamal, the flower which Brahma is holding in one of his four hands. It is believed that anybody who sees its blooming will have all his or her wishes fulfilled. 

Brahma is seen sitting on a pink lotus which is India's national flower. Hence people claim that the pink flower is the Brahma Kamal.

Both are claimed as Brahma Kamal.

[Deep]

On 5/4/2017 at 1:13 PM, carlos flores said:

How is it possible that these Asian countries with a long history of spirituality and being dominated by Buddhism is all the suddenly becoming so materialistic at a very fast pace? How long will it take for them to start moving towards spirituality again (if possible)?

Many of them need to embrace the materialistic side for a while to develop themselves. They can go back to spirituality after economic development, but I doubt that will happen. As technology increases human consciousness decreases so it's only going to get worse. Most people never question their existence until the maturity arises within them.