How do you contemplate on psychedelics?

[Tristan12]

I've heard Leo and other people talking about contemplating on psychedelics, and how doing that supercharges your contemplation. I don't really understand how to do that though, because psychedelics generally make it more difficult to think clearly, and even if you can, it sort of takes your attention off of the trip, when I figured it would be better to calm your mind, surrender, and focus on the experience? Can someone please explain to me how this is done, because I have questions I want to get answers to from psychedelics, but I don't really know how to approach it. 

[Hojo]

You will automatically contemplate by sitting there. You control what to contemplate on by saying think about this why does it work what does it do what can it do what are its limitations.

Edited December 7 by Hojo

[Tristan12]

5 minutes ago, Hojo said:

You will automatically contemplate by sitting there. You control what to contemplate on by saying think about this why does it work what does it do what can it do what are its limitations.

So do you not have to think really? You just ask questions and the trip guides you to the answer? Like setting an intention kind of?

[Hojo]

@Tristan12 No your brain automatically will think you arent thinking you are just pretending to be the one thinking. You might be able to focus on ideas and change the topic but the body has the neurons you arent the body. Thinking is just neurons (concepts) trying to see if they want to attach they attach by you reacting.

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[Tristan12]

1 minute ago, Hojo said:

@Tristan12 No your brain automatically will think you arent thinking you are just pretending to be the one thinking. You might be able to focus on ideas and change the topic but the body has the neurons you arent the body.

I don't really know what you mean. I tried 5-MeO-MALT today for the first time, threshold dose, and I had a question I wanted to contemplate and get an answer to (it's about my mental health issues - why the healing I get doesn't last. I wonder if there is a part of me that is preventing the healing from sticking because of some kind of resistance or something). I started thinking about it, but it wasn't any easier to get an answer by being in an altered state of consciousness, and I felt like I was distracting myself from the experience so I just stopped. I quieted my mind and relaxed into the experience, and I never got any answer to my question. I don't understand how people contemplate on psychedelics

[Hojo]

@Tristan12 Maybe you are missing something before getting there. I also dont think you can just take a psychedelic and then think about something and expect to have an answer like a personal guru. There might be other things you need to contemplate before you get there.

Pretend your mind has like 1 million file folders each containing an idea. Contemplation is like taking taking 1 idea say like, why the healing dosent last, with you while you go around life and keeping it with you. Your mind will look around in the other folders and compare it to the one you are carrying. Theres an answer you just gotta find it.

[Tristan12]

I’d appreciate if more people could provide insight into this because this is something I really need to get figured out

[What Am I]

I've had my most profound subtle-level insights on DMT, and more specifically, on pharmahuasca. There's really no trick to the contemplative aspect, at least at a beginner level. As long as you're under the influence and you're relatively relaxed/receptive, transcendental knowledge flows into you all by itself. If you're a meditator and you're able to deliberately deepen your state, that skill can be used within the trip to accelerate the flow of insight.

For me, 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-MALT essentially blow past the subtle and dip right into the causal, so I've always received fewer insights in terms of raw numbers. But it can also be argued that this class of psychedelics gives you the greatest insight of all, which is your oneness with all things and your true identity as the Self.

[Schizophonia]

The last thing i want to do on psychedelics is to contemplate.

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

The last thing i want to do on psychedelics is to contemplate.

What’s the first thing you wanna do ?😏

[What Am I]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

The last thing i want to do on psychedelics is to contemplate.

I just realized we may all be working with a different definition of contemplation here, lol.

Personally, I consider it the reception of transcendental knowledge via the process of insight while in the midst of a heightened state. Like I mentioned above, it happens mostly by itself on something like DMT.

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, What Am I said:

I just realized we may all be working with a different definition of contemplation here, lol.

Personally, I consider it the reception of transcendental knowledge via the process of insight while in the midst of a heightened state. Like I mentioned above, it happens mostly by itself on something like DMT.

I see

[Schizophonia]

15 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

What’s the first thing you wanna do ?😏

I imagine Nat infinity. 🤔

 

Willy at attention and petals in my eyes.

 

Edited December 7 by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

I imagine Nat infinity. 🤔

 

Willy at attention and petals in my eyes.

Don’t know what you mean by Willy at attention but it’s fine

 

 

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Don’t know what you mean by Willy at attention but it’s fine

 

 

It was a bit a dirty joke, let it go.

But to answer anyway, i don't want to do anything because the psychedelic already takes me somewhere by itself. I'm too alien to do any work.
I can have insights but it's always downhill.

 

 

 

Edited December 7 by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

It was a bit a dirty joke, let it go.

But to answer anyway, i don't want to do anything because the psychedelic already takes me somewhere by itself. I'm too alien to do any work.
I can have insights but it's always downhill.

 

 

 

“Let it go” lmao it’s fine I just asked. 
 

Im guessing I would be the same on psychedelics 

[Tristan12]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

I've had my most profound subtle-level insights on DMT, and more specifically, on pharmahuasca. There's really no trick to the contemplative aspect, at least at a beginner level. As long as you're under the influence and you're relatively relaxed/receptive, transcendental knowledge flows into you all by itself. If you're a meditator and you're able to deliberately deepen your state, that skill can be used within the trip to accelerate the flow of insight.

For me, 5-MeO-DMT and 5-MeO-MALT essentially blow past the subtle and dip right into the causal, so I've always received fewer insights in terms of raw numbers. But it can also be argued that this class of psychedelics gives you the greatest insight of all, which is your oneness with all things and your true identity as the Self.

I've heard Leo talk about asking questions about the awakenings he has and things he experiences on those kinds of psychedelics, so I would assume he is still contemplating similar to how you would sober. But I was thinking that maybe I need a different psychedelic for the type of contemplation I want to do. For getting answers about my psychology and emotional issues, I was thinking mushrooms or maybe DMT could be helpful.

[Tristan12]

@Leo Gura Can you explain how to contemplate on psychedelics? You talk a lot about how psychedelics supercharge your contemplation, but I don't understand how to do it, because trying to think about something distracts me from the trip, and on top of that I don't feel like I can contemplate any better than I can sober. If anything it's harder because I can't think as clearly.

I've gotten insights from psychedelics that they have presented to me, but I want to get a specific question answered that I have about my emotional issues, and I don't understand how to contemplate or investigate that while on a psychedelic

[What Am I]

1 hour ago, Tristan12 said:

I've heard Leo talk about asking questions about the awakenings he has and things he experiences on those kinds of psychedelics, so I would assume he is still contemplating similar to how you would sober. But I was thinking that maybe I need a different psychedelic for the type of contemplation I want to do. For getting answers about my psychology and emotional issues, I was thinking mushrooms or maybe DMT could be helpful.

Yes, those would be more effective for diving into your own psyche, in my opinion. Though they come with their own risks, because you may not always like what you find, and things can quickly spiral out of control on a high dose.

It can be tough to directionally point a psychedelic trip exactly where you want it. You're usually more of a passenger. Or more specifically, a higher form of yourself guides what you experience, and your illusory individuality goes along for the ride. An amazing amount of lessons are learned, but they're not always the ones you intended to investigate. Though it's likely the case that they're the lessons you actually needed.

Edited December 7 by What Am I

[Tristan12]

@What Am I yeah. I have a ton of emotional pain stored within me, I've been suffering with extreme mental health issues for years, and I'm finally starting to use psychedelics to try and heal them. Because of that, my ego is very fragile, fearful and attached, and so I'm trying to be very cautious with psychedelics as to not terrify and traumatize myself even more, because I know that could easily happen with my condition.

I got back from an ayahuasca retreat almost a month ago, and I did the natural version of 5-meo-dmt there, which I enjoyed. Because of that I was comfortable trying the synthetic version, but the synthetic version feels stronger, and I feel like I could easily be pushed towards ego death and get traumatized if I take too much, so I stick with very small doses, and I'm going to do the same with malt.

I tried mescaline recently and I absolutely loved it, it feels perfect for me, but now the problem i'm facing is that all the healing i've been getting doesn't last. I did 5 weeks of ayahausca (16 ceremonies + 6 Bufo), left totally transformed, then a few days later I was back to my normal self. The mescaline trip I did about a week ago also helped me a ton, but two days later I was back to how I was before.

I think there is a part of me that is resisting the integration, that doesn't want to heal for some reason. I think doing parts work would be a good idea, so i'm going to work on doing that, but I was hoping I could also get some insight into what is causing this from psychedelics. I will be getting mushrooms and DMT next week so I've been thinking of working with small doses of those, but I am a little nervous to do so considering that they are not as gentle.

But I'd appreciate people's advice here both on how to contemplate on psychedelics, and also with what psychedelics they suggest for me given my situation.