Developing a deep understanding of nutrition.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’m not really sure what to even trust. But it seems from what I’ve read the Nordic nutrition recommendation is based on a big body of research and that’s why I saw it as a good part of a foundation, to see one perspective of what the science says. It’s not for no reason they say that. There’s this quote too I’ve heard “Eat food. Mostly plants, not too much” . I personally don’t follow the recommendation about low fat diary for example. So I don’t follow it all. And I also make sure to feel for myself what feels good to eat

I'm not saying it's all bad, I just tread on thin ice with them. Smart choice to feel for yourself and how the body reacts. 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not saying it's all bad, I just tread on thin ice with them. Smart choice to feel for yourself and how the body reacts. 

Exactly 

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Eheh what was the context ?

Well, i guess it had to be a nightmare..

[Schizophonia]

39 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not saying it's all bad, I just tread on thin ice with them. Smart choice to feel for yourself and how the body reacts. 

Just that's enough : Life doesn't worth the cost to be lived if you must eat a plant based diet on Scandinavia.

 

Edited December 7 by Schizophonia

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Just that's enough : Life doesn't worth the cost to be lived if you must eat a plant based diet on Scandinavia.

 

Yeah and can't have coffee and bailey's with rum,🥰

[Majed]

@Cireeric Thank you! It was valuable!

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not saying it's all bad, I just tread on thin ice with them. Smart choice to feel for yourself and how the body reacts. 

Yes

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Well, i guess it had to be a nightmare..

LOL 

[Majed]

 

[RendHeaven]

23 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 A general rule for me is to try and stick to real food. 80/20 is a good ratio or 70/30; no lower than that where 70/80% is real food. By real food, I mean buying real apples instead of in a can or raw or frozen spinach instead of canned or creamed or fresh pineapple instead of the ones in boxes or canned. Stuff like that. Limit junk foods and processed foods and white breads and boxed up cereals. Things in the center isle of the supermarket. 

the lack of mention of meat got me sad but otherwise good summary

11 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

I would read the major government recommendations because they’re not there for no reason, there’s science consensus echo chamber behind it.

@Sugarcoat

 

[MarkKol]

13 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Do you still follow your LCHF diet ?

Yes, I probably always will

[Sugarcoat]

@RendHeaven Don’t know what that means

[Michael569]

12 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

I would read the major government recommendations because they’re not there for no reason, there’s science consensus echo chamber behind it.

Assuming that's the case, I honestly see nothing else out there that would be any different.

There is very little I see in the low carb or carnivore communities that is separable from fairy tales, group hive mind thinking and almost a stage purple superstition with an appeal to palaeolithic ancestry, (usually disconnected from the actual evidence in anthropology, archaeology and palaeontology because most people don't bother to read books anymore ). All I see is an army of stage orange gym rats marching of a cliff singing "24 eggs and 2 pounds a beef a day makes being a pussy go away" and I'm not sure I buy into that. Maybe if I was 20 again, I would have. 

But this extends to vegan groups, the vegetarian groups, raw foodies, keto people and all of them pretty much. All of them have their own fairy tales and biases, some more than other. 

But my point is, presuming we can't trust science and evidence to form our conclusions and have some sense of direction for ourselves and those who depend on us for guidance (parents, kids, spouses) , what else do we have to rely on? 

I am all for "common sense" and "see how it makes you feel" but then frankly eating Kinder Bueno, Nesquik and McChicken makes me feel pretty darn good in the moment but I have no illusion that they are particularly good for me in the long run. 

And common sense is a variable that's pretty sneaky and elusive. Genghis Khan thought it was a common sense to try and genocide the poor farmers of of norther & north eastern China (Xin & Song back then) because farm lands were in the way of free pastures favoured by the Mongolian pony. 

How do we even know most of the things we know? Somebody had to go form an argument that eating junk food isnt great for you? And most of us made a decision to trust into that echo chamber and agree. Maybe a degree of that is necessary to have some form of footing under your feet in a world already pretty complex and tantalising. 

Because without trusting into some sort of echo chamber, what else do you have? Its like being lost on a raft in the middle of pacific ocean, you can't help but follow the strongest current...in our case the loudest influencer or the one with the most cash to put behind advertising. 

Not looking for a fight just tossing the ball back to your court 

Edited December 8 by Michael569

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Michael569 said:

Assuming that's the case, I honestly see nothing else out there that would be any different.

There is very little I see in the low carb or carnivore communities that is separable from fairy tales, ego and almost a stage purple superstition with an appeal to palaeolithic ancestry, (usually disconnected from the actual evidence in anthropology because most people don't bother to read books anymore ). All I see is an army of stage orange gym rats marching of a cliff singing "24 eggs and 2 pounds a beef a day makes being a pussy go away" and I'm not sure I buy into that. Maybe if I was 20 again, I would have. I was of similar mindset back then...

But this extends to vegan groups, the vegetarian groups, raw foodies, keto people and all of them pretty much. All of them have their own fairy tales and biases, some more than other. 

But my point is, presuming we can't trust science and evidence to form our choices and have faith that what we do is safe..... what else do people have? 

I am all for common sense and "see how it makes you feel" but then frankly eating Kinder Bueno, Nesquik and McChicken makes me feel pretty darn good in the moment but I have no illusion that they are particularly good for me in the long run 

Not looking for a fight just tossing the ball back to your court 

Agreed

[Schizophonia]

13 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

 

@Sugarcoat

 

Simpler : Diets are gay.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

Assuming that's the case, I honestly see nothing else out there that would be any different.

There is very little I see in the low carb or carnivore communities that is separable from fairy tales, group hive mind thinking and almost a stage purple superstition with an appeal to palaeolithic ancestry, (usually disconnected from the actual evidence in anthropology, archaeology and palaeontology because most people don't bother to read books anymore ). All I see is an army of stage orange gym rats marching of a cliff singing "24 eggs and 2 pounds a beef a day makes being a pussy go away" and I'm not sure I buy into that. Maybe if I was 20 again, I would have. 

You are getting ahead of yourself, none of us are keto or carnivores.

There is especially no genealogical evidence in favor of veganism, strictly no vegan people have existed.
On the other hand, there were plenty of tribes and even entire civilizations (Indus Valley civilization, before the arrival of the Vedas and Hindu vegan traditions) that tended towards a carnivorous diet.

The use of fire and even more so agriculture is recent, humans could not have evolved with a diet rich in carbohydrates, it is impossible.
But on the other hand there is archaeological evidence of massive hunts by homosapiens in East and Southern Africa.

There is also anthropological and archaeological evidence that the growth of the human cerebral cortex began and is progressively correlated with migrations to the Nile and the development of fishing.

I have never seen a carnivore talk about virility, it is a projection of the proponents of the plant based diet; Carnivore doctors and insist rather insist on things like practicality, intestinal comfort, weight gestion, energy stability, fertility and very practical things like that.

And maybe indeed animal products are necessary for androgenity in one way or another when i see the total absence of it in most of the most famous vegan youtubers.

I tease.

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

But this extends to vegan groups, the vegetarian groups, raw foodies, keto people and all of them pretty much. All of them have their own fairy tales and biases, some more than other. 

Raw foodism is actually somehow logical and the vegans i knows that are in best shape follow this kind of diet.

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

But my point is, presuming we can't trust science and evidence to form our conclusions and have some sense of direction for ourselves and those who depend on us for guidance (parents, kids, spouses) , what else do we have to rely on? 

You claim that science supports your view.

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

I am all for "common sense" and "see how it makes you feel" but then frankly eating Kinder Bueno, Nesquik and McChicken makes me feel pretty darn good in the moment but I have no illusion that they are particularly good for me in the long run. 

 

 

Not at all lol

[Schizophonia]

3 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Agreed

Gnegnegne.

[Sugarcoat]

9 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Gnegnegne.

I’m gonna read your long response above now 

Edited December 8 by Sugarcoat

[Michael569]

@Schizophonia good response albeit largely  generated by AI. It would take too much time for me to research each of your claims in depth as I'm not familiar with this population data. 

Anyways i was arguing about the macro position of this.

If we can't rely on the evidence because it is echo chamber, what do we have to inform public? How do we make public health recommendations? 

 

Edited December 8 by Michael569

[Michael569]

Also @Sugarcoat @Schizophonia please can you take this to private chat? You're detailing the conversation 

Edited December 8 by Michael569