CEO of United Health gunned down

[Frylock]

32 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Oh please. Assasinating a CEO is not a just cause.

He wasn't just any CEO, but the one of a private healthcare company. Likely, there were several thousands of people that were denied coverage that resulted in suffering and deaths, and the executive figures at the company are directly responsible.

Most murder cases are black and white, but this one has quite a bit more grey area. Even before we knew who the suspect was, the majority of people regardless of political affiliation were either praising him or neutral about it.

We rarely see that in any murder case. People are straight up tired of the corrupt healthcare system, which led to the CEO becoming a cold blooded murder victim and laughed and mocked for it. It's unfortunate, but also not really that surprising. I feel like we're in a new age of assassination attempts, with the orange idiot almost falling victim as well.

Edited December 10 by Frylock

[What Am I]

4 minutes ago, Frylock said:

He wasn't just any CEO, but the one of a private healthcare company. Likely, there were several thousands of people that were denied coverage that resulted in suffering and deaths, and the executive figures at the company are directly responsible.

Most murder cases are black and white, but this one has quite a bit more grey area. Even before we knew who the suspect was, the majority of people regardless of political affiliation were either praising him or neutral about it.

We rarely see that in any murder case. People are straight up tired of the corrupt healthcare system, which led to the CEO becoming a cold blooded murder victim and laughed and mocked for it. It's unfortunate, but also not really that surprising. I feel like we're in a new age of assassination attempts, with the orange idiot almost falling victim as well.

Do we know if this particular CEO played a pivotal role in excessively denying coverage? I'm out of the loop, so I genuinely don't know his story.

Even if he was responsible, though, I think it's a massive mistake to welcome this kind of chaos. If we condone the killing of perceived oppressors, it could end up being you who's ripped out of your comfortable home to have your throat slashed. This is not how we should resolve things in a civil society.

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Do we know if this particular CEO played a pivotal role in excessively denying coverage? I'm out of the loop, so I genuinely don't know his story.

Even if he was responsible, though, I think it's a massive mistake to welcome this kind of chaos. If we condone the killing of perceived oppressors, it could end up being you who's ripped out of your comfortable home to have your throat slashed. This is not how we should resolve things in a civil society.

When he took over the amount of denials increased until United was one of the worst 

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Do we know if this particular CEO played a pivotal role in excessively denying coverage? I'm out of the loop, so I genuinely don't know his story.

Even if he was responsible, though, I think it's a massive mistake to welcome this kind of chaos. If we condone the killing of perceived oppressors, it could end up being you who's ripped out of your comfortable home to have your throat slashed. This is not how we should resolve things in a civil society.

He was the head of the company that denied coverage for the guy who suffered- whether by a loved one or himself.  And believe me the corporate world could honestly give two shits whether you live or die.  They ONLY care about profit and revenue.  That's it and thats all.  There's a very sick side to Orange.   And your seeing the very devilish side to Orange.

Edited December 10 by Inliytened1

[Frylock]

2 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Do we know if this particular CEO played a pivotal role in excessively denying coverage? I'm out of the loop, so I genuinely don't know his story.

Even if he was responsible, though, I think it's a massive mistake to welcome this kind of chaos. If we condone the killing of perceived oppressors, it could end up being you who's ripped out of your comfortable home to have your throat slashed. This is not how we should resolve things in a civil society.

Yes, I believe since 2021 when the guy became CEO, they became the leader of denied coverage by a wide margin.

I  agree, but unfortunately, the system is too corrupt and people feel too helpless. There's not much these oppressed people feel they can do, other than cheer on what they perceive as a masked hero.

I'm not sure how "civil" our society is when mass shootings are an every day occurrence, children get slain and all the political leaders do is shrug  and say "oh well". America is deeply flawed and violent right now and that's not going to change any time soon.

[What Am I]

@Raze@Inliytened1@Frylock

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

I'm not completely insensitive to what you're saying. I'm speaking as someone who's had serious medical issues and been completely failed by the system. But this newfound and widespread bloodlust simply can't be the answer.

More so than people feeling genuinely helpless, I think there's some strange bandwagoning going on where it just appears like the popular opinion of the moment. It's as if the collective maturity of the entire nation suddenly dropped, and now we're solving problems with the mindset of children.

[Inliytened1]

20 minutes ago, What Am I said:

@Raze@Inliytened1@Frylock

Thanks for the clarification, guys.

I'm not completely insensitive to what you're saying. I'm speaking as someone who's had serious medical issues and been completely failed by the system. But this newfound and widespread bloodlust simply can't be the answer.

More so than people feeling genuinely helpless, I think there's some strange bandwagoning going on where it just appears like the popular opinion of the moment. It's as if the collective maturity of the entire nation suddenly dropped, and now we're solving problems with the mindset of children.

What type of medical issues?  

Again I'm not justifying what was done but also you have to empathize with the level of disregard and the passiveness with which these companies just let people die and collect their revenue every month.  If I had a family member die because they were denied health insurance I'd be pretty pissed off.  And now throw in things like PTSD and other illnesses and you really have a concoction, a potion full of evil ready to explode.  These companies aren't stupid.  They have to know that there will be outbursts against them.  So you would think that there would be better preventative measures taken.  But there isn't because they just don't care.  So I don't have a ton of sympathy for this guy.   He bought into Orange and paid by apples 🍎 

Edited December 10 by Inliytened1

[What Am I]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

What type of medical issues?

An old injury that sat semi-dormant for ~15 years and then dramatically escalated in severity. No modern scans can detect any abnormalities, so I'm left to my own devices to heal. Whenever I push the issue and insist I have a debilitating injury, the medical system offers psychiatric help to quell my obvious fantasies. That was sarcasm, lol.

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Again I'm not justifying what was done but also you have to empathize with the level of disregard and the passiveness with which these companies just let people die and collect their revenue every month.  If I had a family memeber die because they were denied health insurance I'd be pretty pissed off.  And now throw in things like PTSD and other illnesses and you really have a concoction, a potion full of evil ready to explode.  These companies aren't stupid.  They have to know that there will be outbursts against them.  So you would think that there would be better preventative measures taken.  But there isn't because they just don't care.  So I don't have a ton of sympathy for this guy.   He bought into Orange and paid by apples 🍎 

I definitely don't like it. Hell, I firmly believe there are hidden factions of world governments and private contractors who are withholding free energy and anti-gravity technology. But even in a case of wrongdoing to that proportion, I'm still not sure if the perpetrators should be killed via vigilante justice.

I think what rubs me wrong the most is just the widespread wishing for death. It just seems non-conducive to a better world. Like I mentioned, it's as if everyone's development suddenly took a step backwards. Or maybe these tendencies were always there and they were just hidden? I'm not sure.

Edited December 10 by What Am I

[Frylock]

26 minutes ago, What Am I said:

More so than people feeling genuinely helpless, I think there's some strange bandwagoning going on where it just appears like the popular opinion of the moment. It's as if the collective maturity of the entire nation suddenly dropped, and now we're solving problems with the mindset of children.

People don't tend to bandwagon cold blooded murders. That's why this one is a little more nebulous than the prototypical murderer/victim case. Sure you can call it childish, but in this case, it's someone standing up and knocking out the playground bully who seems to get away with everything.

I view the CEO moreso a victim to the corruption of profiting from private healthcare than I do the actual murder. The man just wanted to have a nice career and make money rather than profoundly consider the emotional human impact of his company's actions. When you wrong so many people and they take it on a personal level, the odds increase that someone is going to seek bloody revenge on you. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Inliytened1]

3 minutes ago, Frylock said:

People don't tend to bandwagon cold blooded murders. That's why this one is a little more nebulous than the prototypical murderer/victim case. Sure you can call it childish, but in this case, it's someone standing up and knocking out the playground bully who seems to get away with everything.

I view the CEO moreso a victim to the corruption of profiting from private healthcare than I do the actual murder. The man just wanted to have a nice career and make money rather than profoundly consider the emotional human impact of his company's actions. When you wrong so many people and they take it on a personal level, the odds increase that someone is going to seek bloody revenge on you. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

This issue is there are hundreds like him.   It really wasn't a matter of targeting him in particular it was the failure of the Healthcare system as a whole.  You know how you fire a football coach?  Well this was the American people firing the head of the health care.system.  its nothing personal of course.

 

 

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, What Am I said:

 

I think what rubs me wrong the most is just the widespread wishing for death. It just seems non-conducive to a better world. Like I mentioned, it's as if everyone's development suddenly took a step backwards. Or maybe these tendencies were always there and they were just hidden? I'm not sure.

I don't think anyone is wishing for death it's just a lashing out in frustration and desperation.  When someone is wronged for so long and sees no way out there's a really good chance they are going to lash out.   That's what we see here.  You're thinking way ahead of society.   Most people in society want to survive or will be cutthroat if they aren't able to get what they need.  So that's what you're seeing.  It's just a part of the population, there are many like you though too.  

[AerisVahnEphelia]

@Inliytened1 no man capitalism is good, that's communist that kill people.

Capitalism never did it's the best system. O death, only happiness.

 

[Frylock]

Pretty interesting read on the background of the suspect.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/united-healthcare-ceo-shooting-luigi-mangione.html

It seems he had a bad back and was consistently in a lot of physical pain. Makes sense why he would throw away seemingly a luxurious life, the dude was suffering physically which likely contributed to mentally.

[What Am I]

21 minutes ago, Frylock said:

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Perhaps, but it'd be worth remembering that rampant vigilantism allows someone to judge you under this same criteria. Without law and order as an equalizer, you could find yourself on the receiving end of a stupid prize after someone determines you played a stupid game.

But I overall get what you're saying. Let's hope things move in a positive direction from here.

[What Am I]

14 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

It's just a part of the population, there are many like you though too.

This is probably true. It may just be that media attention is currently on those who somewhat condone the action since it's kind of a shocking opinion.

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, AerisVahnEphelia said:

@Inliytened1 no man capitalism is good, that's communist that kill people.

Capitalism never did it's the best system. O death, only happiness.

 

Lol...well Captialism could have fooled me.  Maybe it's Communism in disguise.

[AerisVahnEphelia]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Lol...well Captialism could have fooled me.  Maybe it's Communism in disguise.

I guess it all root down to human greed egoism and stupidity..

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, What Am I said:

This is probably true. It may just be that media attention is currently on those who somewhat condone the action since it's kind of a shocking opinion.

Yeah I mean don't give up on society yet.  You're right from the standpoint of wisdom and morality but that's not any fun.

Batman and the city of Gotham is much more popular.  For that we need the Riddler.  Would say Penguin but I watched it and it's great but I can't wait for Riddler to come out.  Penguin was a one dimensional gangster. 

Edited December 10 by Inliytened1

[What Am I]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah I mean don't give up on society yet.  You're right from the standpoint of wisdom and morality but that's not any fun.

Batman and the city of Gotham is much more popular.  For that we need the Riddler.  Would say Pentuin but I watched it and it's great but I can't wait for Riddler to come out.  Penguin was a one dimensional gangster. 

lol, for sure. A real life vigilante with the resources and purity of Batman would be badass indeed.

[aurum]

Vigilante justice is not a solution.