CEO of United Health gunned down

[Frylock]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

They will change it for optics, and then a year later they will change it back and charge you even more when no one is looking.

Again, you're dealing with a system and a stage of development, not an evil person or company.

Correct, but at least in the short term, it reduces suffering.

I get it, if you squash one roach, it won't solve your problem when you have a whole colony of roaches infesting your house.

What makes healthcare agencies/executives particularly more tricky to fight back against is that you simply can't not buy their products. If I'm mad at Pepsi, I'll just stop buying Pepsi products. Problem is, everyone needs healthcare for survival, which makes the crookedness of that business more pressure packed and personal for the majority of people.

Edited December 10 by Frylock

[Leo Gura]

It's really a Wall Street problem. The incentives of every public company is to maximize profits for shraeholders. This is always done at the expense of customers. Until that is changed this will continue.

 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

When did everyone suddenly become an eat the rich Maoist type?

 

''Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.''

-- Mao Zedong

[Princess Arabia]

15 hours ago, Basman said:

If you guys where that McDonald's employee, would you have called the police upon recognizing the killer or let him go?

I think I would've let him go to be honest. He's motivated by a just cause and I have very little sympathy for these evil CEOs.

There was a reward. Working at McDonald's you might have done the same thing and all "just causes" would have flown out the window.

[Princess Arabia]

There is no fucking just cause for murder. All you guys saying this have been brainwashed and self-deceived. Let someone murder your son that robbed a bank. All your just causes won't matter then. Human's are so fucking delusional. 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

These are not my word's but somebody else's testimony.

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I used to work at insurance company in Canada. So my job working at insurance was basically just to find ways to deny everyone of their claims. It's all I ever do. The only people whose claims get approved are friends and family of the company and those who could cost the company by suing us or having a large media following and raising a stink and sometimes just a few randoms to make things look legit but your odds as a random are about as good as winning the lottery.

Mind you it's not health insurance that I do. It's stuff like, for example, insurance on property in case it gets damaged or stolen and so on. Your bike gets stolen out of your garage, you're paying insurance so that if it gets stolen you can replace it, my job is to make sure you never get that money back anyways because (insert excuse). Your house burns down, fire insurance, etc.

We basically made/make infinite money by running a scam. Worse yet many people HAVE to buy the insurance, there is no option for people to just not buy the insurance, it's often mandatory.

I was fired long ago for not being full on sociopathic and believe me, I really don't care about people's lives, I'm a social darwinist and never donate to charities and so on but I still had too much of a heart apparently to be allowed to keep working there. Today I am a broke man living off of charity because of a series of unfortunate events through my own life, yes it is very ironic.

Pic is very related. This is an insurance palace. There are many like it in this country. Insurance companies honestly should not exist. An insurance company's job in theory is pool people's money together for an emergency and give that money back when emergency does happen. In reality an insurance company just takes all the money and never gives it back unless you're family. We don't do anything except take money and "hold onto it for you" aka spend it on palaces like this and super cars and so on. It is really criminal what insurance companies are.

 

[What Am I]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's really a Wall Street problem. The incentives of every public company is to maximize profits for shraeholders. This is always done at the expense of customers. Until that is changed this will continue.

Yes, I was thinking the same thing. This CEO's main responsibility was to the shareholders, which likely guided many of his and the company's actions.

Though it's not clear to me that a replacement to this system would be overall better. An overhaul of the whole thing could accidentally produce another communist slaughtering.

[Seth]

@Leo Gura What should a company maximize if not profit? Isn't it the citizens' job to vote for politicians that will properly regulate the company? People just use CEOs as a scapegoat when they should actually be upset at themself or their neighbor for voting in the wrong politicians. 

It isn't a company's job to regulate itself. The regulation is the government's job. As long as they aren't breaking any laws, they are playing their role perfectly. Capitalism works. 

Correction: laws* not jobs.

Edited December 10 by Seth

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Seth said:

@Leo Gura What should a company maximize if not profit? Isn't it the citizens' job to vote for politicians that will properly regulate the company? People just use CEOs as a scapegoat when they should actually be upset at themself or their neighbor for voting in the wrong politicians. 

It isn't a company's job to regulate itself. The regulation is the government's job. As long as they aren't breaking any jobs, they are playing their role perfectly. Capitalism works. 

Of course gov regulation is crucial. But yes it is a company'a job to regulate itself too if we are to have a healthy society.

A company's top priority should not be to maximize profit.

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[Husseinisdoingfine]

His manifesto:

[Leo Gura]

That's exactly how war works.

[Raze]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course gov regulation is crucial. But yes it is a company'a job to regulate itself too if we are to have a healthy society.

A company's top priority should not be to maximize profit.

But then it will be outcompeted by the companies that do maximize profit 

[kamwalker]

50 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no fucking just cause for murder. All you guys saying this have been brainwashed and self-deceived. Let someone murder your son that robbed a bank. All your just causes won't matter then. Human's are so fucking delusional. 

How can you say there is no just cause for murder? There are plenty of situations where we murder people either through the death penalty, self defense, or emotional retaliation. To say there is no just cause for murder is some sort of holier than thou attitude where you want to come across as enlightened when the truly enlightened answer is that some things simply are binary as a human. Otherwise civilization would not exist as it does.  If someone murdered your new born son or daughter in front of you you would be singing a different tune. 

[What Am I]

15 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

How can you say there is no just cause for murder? There are plenty of situations where we murder people either through the death penalty, self defense, or emotional retaliation. To say there is no just cause for murder is some sort of holier than thou attitude where you want to come across as enlightened when the truly enlightened answer is that some things simply are binary as a human. Otherwise civilization would not exist as it does.  If someone murdered your new born son or daughter in front of you you would be singing a different tune. 

By definition, murder is the unjust killing of one person by another. The word you're probably looking for is "killing."

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

How can you say there is no just cause for murder? There are plenty of situations where we murder people either through the death penalty, self defense, or emotional retaliation. To say there is no just cause for murder is some sort of holier than thou attitude where you want to come across as enlightened when the truly enlightened answer is that some things simply are binary as a human. Otherwise civilization would not exist as it does.  If someone murdered your new born son or daughter in front of you you would be singing a different tune. 

In your mind you think I'm trying to come across as some enlightened being. I don't even know what that has to do with an opinion. Legitimate self-defense is not murder and I wasn't referring to the death penalty. You have used arguable explanations of murder to come at me to justify your disagreement and for your rebuttal. In the case of what was shown here in this video of the man being shot from behind, it is obviously murder and need not be disputed as such. I never said there is no just cause for what may or not be interpreted as murder. In the case of self-defense and the death penalty and casualties of war, these cases are arguable as to whether they are murder or not. Shooting someone from behind in cold blood is murder and not only murder, but cold blooded murder. I don't care what the person did or even if it was me that committed the act, it is still fucking murder and and has no justifiable cause except in one's own mind and to suit their own agenda and biases. I can be the same way with myself and say I had no justifiable cause to shoot that man, because even if I don't like the health care policies murder is not the answer and I was being just as evil, if not even worse by taking the life of another and I would go do my time. 

Edited December 10 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

Yeah, that's his own justifiable cause what his mother went through and what he went through. Do you think if he didn't have a personal issue here, he would have done this for millions of other people. He doesn't give a shit about the others, only what he and his mom went through. 

This is why I said to suit his own personal agenda and biases. All of you saying he was justified in his acts are just like the Health care fucking system. They have conjured up in their heads why they have just cause in denying, defending and deposing. But of course you can't see this. 

Please note that I am not excluding myself from this, the difference is I wouldn't try to justify what I did, I would just take whatever punishment that comes and say I was wrong.

We all have reasons and believe me I have plenty why I wouldn't go and take out my grievances with the food industry. I have plenty, and I could call them justifiable. But I would be no more different than them if I was to go and commit cold blooded murder because of it and if I did, I wouldn't say it was justified.  

Edited December 10 by Princess Arabia

[Yali]

@Husseinisdoingfine How do you know that's his manifesto? I wasn't able to find it on the internet. Nor do I see the quote ‘These Parasites Had It Coming’ which has been confirmed by police to be in his manifesto. And police also said his manifesto was rambling in nature, but this manifesto seems to be well-written.

Edited December 10 by Yali

[Hardkill]

Mangione is so incredibly arrogant that he must've thought that he is some kind of hero or angel sent down from the heavens by God to kill the corporate elites all in the name of justice or for the greater good of the nation.

It's a real damn shame. This guy could've been a real hero if he had used his intellect, work ethic, communication skills, and looks to help inspire and possibly help build a non-violent widespread movement to take on corporate greed like Sanders, AOC, and other progressives like them have been trying to do for years.

[Hardkill]

I wonder if this means anything or if it will really lead to anything significantly positive: 

 

[Hardkill]

@Husseinisdoingfine Ohhh......Damn........After reading that whole manifesto, I am now seriously reconsidering my view of him. If everything he said about the pain that he and his mother have been going through was the truth, then I deeply empathize with him and his family. 

But I thought he came from a prominent wealthy family. Couldn't he and his family still have found a viable medical way to better cope with the pain they've been dealing with?

Also, he still could've used the pain he and his family are going through as an opportunity to bolster a serious non-violent movement towards holding the healthcare industry more accountable.