Quote of the day by Robert Adams

[Someone here]

"You did not ask to come to this earth, you did not ask to be a male or a female ,you did not ask to go through the experiences you are going through in this life ,whether they are good or bad ,yet,here you are going through certain experiences .

Yet,you are arrogant enough to believe that you have the ability to change those experiences. 

Your entire life was preordained before you came to this earth .the day you will be born into this body ,the experiences you are going to go through ,and the day you are going to leave this body .

this sounds weird to most people because they didn't investigate this deeply enough .they didn't turn within ,where Truth resides ,to discover their true nature and the meaning of life .

Most people are just born ,they go through a certain conditioning and upbringing, they follow a certain religion, they work in a certain job,they live in  certain cities, and they spend their lives trying to accumulate lots of money ,or striving for being maximally healthy, or to look as good as they can . And yet ,life passes through them,they get older and older, they get sick ,and they die . And that's the end of that .before they know it they will be six feet under the ground .

The only freedom you will ever get is when you dive deep within silence,  when you transcend the universe, your body ,and your life . "

-from the collected works which were compiled by his devotees. 

 

 

[Javfly33]

Well said. Is Life who chosed everything (unconsciously), the ego didn't chose anything. 

[Someone here]

6 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Well said. Is Life who chosed everything (unconsciously), the ego didn't chose anything. 

Yes it's a common theme in his writing . I've read the entire 3000+ pages pdf of his collected works.  He says even how many breaths you will breathe is predestined. Everything was preordained.  I like the simplicity in his teaching.  I highly recommend to read his book. 

Edited December 4 by Someone here

[Javfly33]

13 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes it's a common theme in his writing . I've read the entire 3000+ pages pdf of his collected works.  He says even how many breaths you will breathe is predestined. Everything was preordained.  I like the simplicity in his teaching.  I highly recommend to read his book. 

I yet have to read of him, thanks I'll check it out. 

Edited December 4 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

@Javfly33 you're welcome. You can download it from here :

https://m.moam.info/collected-works-of-robert-adams-sat-sangha-salon-pdf_647999de098a9efe738b45e1.html?utm_source=slidelegend

[Razard86]

Robert Adams was a bit eccentric. He claims to have had super powers when he was a kid. He also had a vision of Ramana Maharshi and went to India to find him in person and presented himself to Ramana....butt naked. Crazy story huh?

He stayed there for awhile before returning to the States and getting married. 

Now with that said.....it's not as simple as predestination. Predestination implies there is a future, and that there are fixed paths. There are no fixed paths, what is more accurate to say is conditioning plays itself out. A cat will be a cat, a dog will be a dog. But humans are much more dynamic and complicated. 

What is more accurate is....the ego doesn't control anything, but the ego is given control. So you do have control it is just limited and that limitation is not under your control. You do have free will it is just limited and the control of how limited is not under your control. 

For example: You could all of a sudden develop some rare unheard of disorder this very moment and be stuck with it. Also someone could develop a cure for that disorder next year and you get cured. Or....you are the rare exception where that cure does not take effect. So yeah....you pretty much just got to accept things as they come.

Edited December 4 by Razard86

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

Robert Adams was a bit eccentric. He claims to have had super powers when he was a kid. He also had a vision of Ramana Maharshi and went to India to find him in person and presented himself to Ramana....butt naked. Crazy story huh?

He stayed there for awhile before returning to the States and getting married. 

Now with that said.....it's not as simple as predestination. Predestination implies there is a future, and that there are fixed paths. There are no fixed paths, what is more accurate to say is conditioning plays itself out. A cat will be a cat, a dog will be a dog. But humans are much more dynamic and complicated. 

What is more accurate is....the ego doesn't control anything, but the ego is given control. So you do have control it is just limited and that limitation is not under your control. You do have free will it is just limited and the control of how limited is not under your control. 

For example: You could all of a sudden develop so rare unheard of disorder this very moment and be stuck with it. Also someone could develop a cure for that disorder next year and you get cured. Or....you are the rare exception where that cure does not take effect. So yeah....you pretty much just got to accept things as they come.

 He does not mean it in the sense that there is a god who has written your life script before you were born  . He means you are just a collection of conditioning. Itthat our ego is kind of this shitpile we have gathered..so to speak. We have gathered enormous amounts of different garbage and glued it into ourselves.. forming the ego. This ego makes us act in different ways to various situations..you can do stuff ..the ego can do stuff .  but the decision is not an expression of free will..it's just  the conditioning reacting to stuff in various ways. 

 For instance..One thought says "ooooh thats sum good lookin cookie"

and then another thought says "No...it has so many calories don't do it"

Then another thought says "just one!!! its no big deal" etc...

and then lets say I take the box of cookies and I throw them in the lake!!!!

 It does seem like I decided with my free will to throw that box of cookies in the lake. 

 But actually.. What happens is.... The thought that says good cookie is in fact a result of previous experiences and substances in your brain that you have/had no control over.. That clashes with the thought that it has too many calories which you believe to be true from the bs you've gathered from medical and magazines area (no control over that either)... 

It's all programming..  

[Razard86]

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 He does not mean it in the sense that there is a god who has written your life script before you were born  . He means you are just a collection of conditioning. Itthat our ego is kind of this shitpile we have gathered..so to speak. We have gathered enormous amounts of different garbage and glued it into ourselves.. forming the ego. This ego makes us act in different ways to various situations..you can do stuff ..the ego can do stuff .  but the decision is not an expression of free will..it's just  the conditioning reacting to stuff in various ways. 

 For instance..One thought says "ooooh thats sum good lookin cookie"

and then another thought says "No...it has so many calories don't do it"

Then another thought says "just one!!! its no big deal" etc...

and then lets say I take the box of cookies and I throw them in the lake!!!!

 It does seem like I decided with my free will to throw that box of cookies in the lake. 

 But actually.. What happens is.... The thought that says good cookie is in fact a result of previous experiences and substances in your brain that you have/had no control over.. That clashes with the thought that it has too many calories which you believe to be true from the bs you've gathered from medical and magazines area (no control over that either)... 

It's all programming..  

I hear what your saying but its not some dead programing. The ego is tied to your intellectual and emotional system, you can literally trigger biological functions when you mess with it. The ego is literally, metaphysically made of love, a tangled web of love. And also that conditioning gets updated constantly.

The conditioning is not the problem, its a lack of awareness of what conditioning is and how it operates. Its goes like this.....if you are beholden to the ego you have no freedom cause the program will run its course, but if you are aware then you can always reprogram the program because you are aware of it.

Also....your programming isn't shit, well not all of it anyway lol.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

I hear what your saying but its not some dead programing. The ego is tied to your intellectual and emotional system, you can literally trigger biological functions when you mess with it. The ego is literally, metaphysically made of love, a tangled web of love. And also that conditioning gets updated constantly.

The conditioning is not the problem, its a lack of awareness of what conditioning is and how it operates. Its goes like this.....if you are beholden to the ego you have no freedom cause the program will run its course, but if you are aware then you can always reprogram the program because you are aware of it.

Also....your programming isn't shit, well not all of it anyway lol.

🙏 the gist of his teaching is that The one who believes they have free will is the ego. If you can release the need to have duality between programming and free will.. you will know true freedom. Or what in Hindu tradition called Moksha .

No one to choose.. no one to suffer. Nobody to do anything .

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Most people are just born ,they go through a certain conditioning and upbringing, they follow a certain religion, they work in a certain job,they live in  certain cities, and they spend their lives trying to accumulate lots of money ,or striving for being maximally healthy, or to look as good as they can . And yet ,life passes through them,they get older and older, they get sick ,and they die . And that's the end of that .before they know it they will be six feet under the ground .

Then 

 

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

Your entire life was preordained before you came to this earth

What to do? Doesn't depends about them

He said that, others say anything else. When anyone says something so sure, I think he's a clown. But who knows, maybe he's right. 

 

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall everyone including leo ..osho ..ralston ..Sadhguru..etc are clowns and you are the one who showed the fly out of the bottle? 

Humble yourself son. 

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall everyone including leo ..osho ..ralston ..Sadhguru..etc are clowns and you are the one who showed the fly out of the bottle? 

Humble yourself son. 

I just say that if someone says things like everything is written, there is no choice, and after he says: all people live like dumbs. Maybe he's a clown don't you think? Because if they live like dumbs it's because it was written 😅

[Javfly33]

@Someone here @Breakingthewall  I think the article can be read from two perspectives, depending on which, the meaning is radically different

From the ego perspective is depressing and deterministic (everything was chosen for you)

But from the Reality/Life is freeing because it means total responsibility (all circumstances are a cause and effect of You, you are on the 'drivers seat')

So it depends on what is the identity, the article is empowering or deterministic/depressing. 

Usually I like articles that are written from the perspective of the Reality/Absolute, since thats what one really is. But for some people too stucked in the ego, humbling them like this could be beneficial so they seek something beyond their constructed personal life

Edited December 4 by Javfly33

[Someone here]

18 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@Someone here @Breakingthewall  I think the article can be read from two perspectives, depending on which, the meaning is radically different

From the ego perspective is depressing and deterministic (everything was chosen for you)

But from the Reality/Life is freeing because it means total responsibility (all circumstances are a cause and effect of You, you are on the 'drivers seat')

So it depends on what is the identity, the article is empowering or deterministic/depressing. 

Usually I like articles that are written from the perspective of the Reality/Absolute, since thats what one really is. But for some people too stucked in the ego, humbling them like this could be beneficial so they seek something beyond their constructed personal life

nailled it 👍

 

[Ishanga]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

🙏 the gist of his teaching is that The one who believes they have free will is the ego. If you can release the need to have duality between programming and free will.. you will know true freedom. Or what in Hindu tradition called Moksha .

No one to choose.. no one to suffer. Nobody to do anything .

Moksha is one option, for some they want to know the Mechanics of Life, how it works, how it is structured and play with it, ppl like Sadhguru and others of course are in this sort of Game, ppl like Adams and Ramana are not in this game.

Its not about Ego, its about Karma mostly I think, the ones that want to know the mechanics of Life, its their Karma that makes this so, its the same for the others, in the end its about Possibility, one is not better or worse than the others, the key is not pigeon hole it, and say Adams way is the way, and everything else is ego or wrong, its not wrong or right, it is just there as a Potential that is all, we have the choice to do it the way we want to do it..

[Someone here]

19 hours ago, Ishanga said:

Moksha is one option, for some they want to know the Mechanics of Life, how it works, how it is structured and play with it, ppl like Sadhguru and others of course are in this sort of Game, ppl like Adams and Ramana are not in this game.

Its not about Ego, its about Karma mostly I think, the ones that want to know the mechanics of Life, its their Karma that makes this so, its the same for the others, in the end its about Possibility, one is not better or worse than the others, the key is not pigeon hole it, and say Adams way is the way, and everything else is ego or wrong, its not wrong or right, it is just there as a Potential that is all, we have the choice to do it the way we want to do it..

I agree . For me personally I don't want to know more about life . Because there is infinite amount of things to know. Which is the same thing as saying there's nothing to know . Leo and Sadhguru and some new age people are in this business of figuring things out .

I lean more towards Ramana Maharshi and Robert because their  approach is very simple and direct . They don't stuff your head with relative  knowledge and conceptual maps . They point you directly to liberation.

Edited December 5 by Someone here

[Harikrishnan]

But all this channeled beings says you create your reality. 
also you have free will

[Someone here]

6 hours ago, Harikrishnan said:

But all this channeled beings says you create your reality. 
also you have free will

It's tricky . The ego doesn't have free will . I don't care who says we have free will .

Free will is a total horseshit . If you pay attention to your experience you will notice that. I like this experiment.. Try to stop your thoughts and movements for just few seconds.. And notice how your body will carry on thinking and moving on its own. It can be a very scary experience. You have zero control over your body. I had a hard time with this realization few months ago. I thought Im losing my mind. 

[Razard86]

On 12/4/2024 at 1:57 PM, Someone here said:

🙏 the gist of his teaching is that The one who believes they have free will is the ego. If you can release the need to have duality between programming and free will.. you will know true freedom. Or what in Hindu tradition called Moksha .

No one to choose.. no one to suffer. Nobody to do anything .

Well only a young ego believes they have free will. Anyone who has suffered tragedy learns real quick that they have LIMITED free will. That's where the famous phrase Focus on what you can control. It's like this, first everything is God. We all know that but then the question is which part is the human intelligence? All voluntary movements are what we can say is the ego domain and all involuntary movements we can say are non egoic movements.

But to use this scenario you would have to see the ego as also God, but just as the small version as form. Through this dynamic you can actually investigate what is out of the ego's control. The ego does not control that it was a human, doesn't control its race, its country of birth, the list goes on. It doesn't even control its heart beat or its brain and other internal organs.

So from this we can see that trying to gain Absolute control over life is a fool's game because there are so many things you cannot control. Now with that said you CAN deconstruct the ego and discover that it's not alive, you are life creating the ego in the present moment but if you choose to go down that path beware....you have to discard your sanity if you want to go all the way.