High desire seems to be inversely related to mental/emotional compatibility

[Javfly33]

On 6/12/2024 at 6:33 PM, Emerald said:

Madonna and Whore Complex has to do with a split vision of the Feminine in yourself and in women (as a result of the internal split).

You either see the Feminine as pure and motherly and the image of perfection of the Madonna. And this is what you might seek in relationship and marriage.

But all the sexual attraction is wrapped up in the image of the Whore, who gets all your sexual desire but none of your respect, commitment, or love.

From a female perspective, being in relationships with guys with this complex is sexually unfulfilling and stifling because that sexual half of the dichotomy isn't being accepted or getting its needs met.

And depending on the temperament of the woman and code of ethics she abides by, it either leads to self-sacrifice and sexual starvation or cheating.

But also in the guy's life, he has this dichotomy of sexual starvation or cheating to deal with this complex because he also can't get his sexual needs met in the relationship.

Such elegant way of saying fuck you to the OP but appering like you are helping in some way...🤣 And of course @Etherial Cat Jumped very happily to throw another Arrow.

Lucky for me I Only have pity and clear perception for your subtle word games.

Im sorry if the OP triggered you too, but i expect more Next time of both you too. 😘

Edited December 11 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Why are you afraid to sexually dominate someone you respect?

 

I respect everyone, I never would have sex with anyone I don't respect, that's sick shit

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Are You serious? People get in to such false relationships nowdays? 

Romantic sexual relationship is something genetically encoded whose purpose is reproduction. That white thing that comes out of the dick is for that 😅. Everything else, attraction, communication, the bonds that are established, are adaptations of the psyche to the given vital moment, modifications of the same pattern: the reproductive impulse.

When you fuck with someone, even if you use a condom, all your pleasure, communication, sensations are aimed at reproduction. Another thing is that you are not aware of it. The more conscious you are, the more carefully you choose your partner. The last time I had casual sex with someone who didn't really fit what I'm looking for, I couldn't sleep for two nights. A few years ago, sometimes I would go to parties with some people and fuck with 3 girls in one night without even knowing their names, and I would leave there absolutely happy. Now it would seem unthinkable to me like a dirty sick shit that creates horrible karma. 

 

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I respect everyone

Of course not, even if it's in denial.

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I never would have sex with anyone I don't respect, that's sick shit

 

It's the opposite, you basically said that you can't enjoy as much with a "spiritually and intellectually compatible" woman.

Be careful, "desiring the whore" does not make you more masculine on the contrary, you desire her because you do not assume the phallic position and the whore can take power over you; The Madonna will not be as exciting because she does not want to take power over you.

You finally desire the "Madonna" when you assume the masculine position, that is to say become selfish.

When you are dominant, masculine, selfish you will desire the most submissive and nicer girl possible.
If you are too afraid of being masculine (playing at having power) for any reason as certainly op, as the character to satisfy in the game of life is no longer "you" but "the other" then you will no longer be able to enjoy yourself properly with "the Madonna" and you will choose the "whore", that is to say a more annoying, dominant woman but with whom you will be able to more easily play at "satisfying her".

Summary: You are masculine (play the game of life as if the character you are playing is the center of the world) -> You want a young, kind, intelligent, submissive girl and you prefer sexual positions like doggy style.

Otherwise for some reason -> You want a hypomanic girl, with whom you often have nothing to do, who will dominate you even sexually (preference for cowgirl for example).

Or more bizarre fantasies.

[Breakingthewall]

24 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

you basically said that you can't enjoy as much with a "spiritually and intellectually compatible" woman.

I didn't say that, I said that in the past I searched a kind of "spiritually and intellectually compatible " that was not compatible with sex flow, then I had sex flow with who wasn't not compatible in that sense according to me in that moment, but now i see "spiritually compatible " in a very different way, much more intuitive. Nothing about whores and that

[Schizophonia]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I didn't say that, I said that in the past I searched a kind of "spiritually and intellectually compatible " that was not compatible with sex flow, then I had sex flow with who wasn't not compatible in that sense according to me in that moment, but now i see "spiritually compatible " in a very different way, much more intuitive. Nothing about whores and that

I was talking about whores to take up the idea of the whore and the Madonna of op.

There is no "sex flox", it's just an attempt to image your ability to let yourself go, you can't let yourself go as much with a girl with whom you supposedly have a real connection.

[Emerald]

On 12/11/2024 at 11:32 AM, Javfly33 said:

Such elegant way of saying fuck you to the OP but appering like you are helping in some way...🤣 And of course @Etherial Cat Jumped very happily to throw another Arrow.

Lucky for me I Only have pity and clear perception for your subtle word games.

Im sorry if the OP triggered you too, but i expect more Next time of both you too. 😘

That wasn't specifically directed at you or the OP... or anyone else in particular.

But if you're upset by what I said about relationship with guys with the Madonna/Whore complex, then that's probably a reason to look into it and do some inner work.

I brought it up because it's the general reality of being with a guy who can only see you as the whore or the madonna and not as a real person with both and neither of these sides... as no woman is fully either of those dichotomies even if they lean more towards one side or the other. 

If you're with a guy who sees you as a Madonna, there's no sexual fulfillment there. And you don't get to experience the man's real sexuality as he only keeps that part of himself reserved for the Whore. And it's like a really dry and boring relationship that only looks good on the outside... but is frigid and affectionless on the inside.

If you're just seen as a the whore, the guy devalues you and you get neither sexual fulfillment nor love and commitment.

So, the only two options with a guy who has this complex both involve a lack of sexual expression and fulfillment. 

So, it's like... do you like your sexual unfulfillment with a side order of disrespect or would you prefer your sexual unfulfillment without a side order of disrespect?

You could probably imagine that neither option would be very fulfilling.

It's a little like how a lot of guys think women are functioning... where you're either the beta or the Chad. And women are saving their sexuality for Chad but marrying the beta to get some societal fringe benefit.

But that's all really a projection of what really happens with the Madonna/Whore complex... only the projection is the beta/Chad complex.

[Jirh]

On 12/7/2024 at 5:21 AM, Etherial Cat said:

Just a question, have you noticed any equivalent of that one complex in a woman's psychology?

Probably obvious, but I would say it's the attraction to the toxic bad boy and the inability to be attracted to the stable loving man aka the nice guy.

Edited Monday at 07:52 AM by Jirh

[Etherial Cat]

On 16/12/2024 at 8:50 AM, Jirh said:

Probably obvious, but I would say it's the attraction to the toxic bad boy and the inability to be attracted to the stable loving man aka the nice guy.

A woman's attraction to a toxic bad boy stem from the suppression of her own assertiveness.

Toxic bad boys are pretty lame. Can't make a decent partner out of it. 

As per the nice guy... What's hiding behind that concept?

I’ve had male friends who described themselves as 'nice guys,' but their behavior often revealed selfish underlying intentions and energy that felt off-putting.

They were 'good partners' only in their own minds, not in reality. 

As per picking a potential mate... I want someone with whom I can grow and match my value.

Not everyone would be compatible and it's a headache. 

[Jirh]

@Etherial Cat Pretty accurate summary of the dating dilemma.

But if we're speaking strictly from a sexual attraction lens, some girls find bad behavior to be sexually attractive and nice behavior to be simply boring or in some cases off-putting. I mean on the surface, at least, and from an instinctual point of view. This, in my opinion, seems like the equivalent of the Madonna-Whore complex, hence the reply. Bad and more generally socially unacceptable behavior seems to entice and excite some people, whether women or men, while conformity seems to have an opposite effect. This could be stemming from psychological wounds, or it might just be normal. Not everyone is the same and not everyone is compatible, like you said.