Enlightenment is not about Insanity

[Francis777]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Perhaps a better way to look at it is to realize that sanity is just an island within an ocean of insanity. That island is where most people live and dare not step beyond.

Ok, so sanity is essentially constructed by the safety of familiarity within consciousness. I suppose it's pointless to ponder insanity then unless you plan to go there.

[Yimpa]

Here is a video of me communicating as AI 5 years ago. I literally thought I wasn’t coming back. Enjoy 

 

[Da77en]

@Yimpa Good stuff, thanks for sharing.

[Carl-Richard]

It would truly be insane to lock up a person sitting in profound stillness.

[Da77en]

When it comes to the alien insanity like state I've tapped into in the last couple hours, I've been easing into it. My current observations are that it's almost analogous to jumping into ice cold water, but for your overall state of consciousness and sense of reality. I've been acclimating and it's not actually as unpleasant anymore and it's way more manageable. It does still depend on how deep you are going into it.

Edited December 3 by Da77en

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Ishanga said:

You've developed a huge bias towards him for some reason, its blinding You right now that is all, no matter what anyone says or what he does, or whatever You won't get it, and its not about seeing it in him watching a video, that is not where it is at nor what he is about, but many think that is what he is, when he gets approached nowadays and ppl say I watch You (Sadhguru) on Youtube, he says that is not Me...

Anyways, if you do the Inner Engineering course, he goes into much  more details about the Mind, Sound, Desire, Life and such, but here is one more video You won't get, what the hell eh:_)

 

I will see when I ve time to try to understand deeply. It's not that I have a bias against him, it's that I search in masters or people here signs that make me think that they are enlightened and I don't find. It's extremely rare, even understanding what enlightenment means, look the conversation In this thread, nobody understands, they are talking about states of consciousness , expansion, like psychedelic states, that's not remotely enlightenment. Enlightenment is realizing what we really are, what realiy is the reality, maybe sadhguru does, I just whamt to perceive it in someone. Why he says always that he's not showing his true face? Is him a liar? Really I don't understand him

Edited December 3 by Breakingthewall

[Salvijus]

Insane to me means that which has no connection with reality or the truth. So it's the opposite of enlightenment. Unless people have a different definition of that word. 

Edited December 3 by Salvijus

[Breakingthewall]

7 hours ago, Ishanga said:

You've developed a huge bias towards him for some reason, its blinding You right now that is all, no matter what anyone says or what he does, or whatever You won't get it, and its not about seeing it in him watching a video, that is not where it is at nor what he is about, but many think that is what he is, when he gets approached nowadays and ppl say I watch You (Sadhguru) on Youtube, he says that is not Me...

Anyways, if you do the Inner Engineering course, he goes into much  more details about the Mind, Sound, Desire, Life and such, but here is one more video You won't get, what the hell eh:_)

 

He's talking about states, not about enlightenment. But anyway, probably he understands what enlightenment is

[Davino]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Perhaps a better way to look at it is to realize that sanity is just an island within an ocean of insanity. That island is where most people live and dare not step beyond.

I like to make the analogy of the mind being like a drone

When you get it from the shop it has speed restrictions, movility restrictions, distance restrictions, height restrictions, battery restrictions etc.

When you hack youserlf out of it, it is possible to make all sorts of mindbending trickshots and break all speed limits; at the risk of experiencing an accident.

[Razard86]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes.

Perhaps a better way to look at it is to realize that sanity is just an island within an ocean of insanity. That island is where most people live and dare not step beyond.

I'm glad you are clearing up this for people on the forum. When I broke through I felt like you didn't emphasis enough that the barrier was having to drop your distinction between sanity and insanity. Too many people on these forums wanna maintain their human logic. I literally tell them that the reverse of every paradigm they come up with can exist and they fight me on it.

When you witness in your experience all categories melt away even the whole notion of there being a relative truth at all melts away. This whole conflation of the absolute and the relative business can fall away as some appearance game God is playing with itself.

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Insane to me means that which has no connection with reality or the truth. So it's the opposite of enlightenment. Unless people have a different definition of that word. 

Exactly. Here they means insanity like: so so so cooooool INSANE level of consciousness (that only me can reach, looser) , that make me soooooo special. But no. Insanity is being alcoholic and hate people because they are of another football team. It's not cool on my opinion 

Edited December 3 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

When you witness in your experience all categories melt away even the whole notion of there being a relative truth at all melts away. This whole conflation of the absolute and the relative business can fall away as some appearance game God is playing with itself

This could happen , then you could sit in a park for 3 days looking to infinity. That's not insanity, is mystical state. Insanity is when you go running naked in the street yelling that you are Jesus Christ, that's an ego malfunction. Mystical state is absence of ego, it's radically different 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly. Here they means insanity like: so so so cooooool INSANE level of consciousness (that only me can reach, looser) , that make me soooooo special.

lol true

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Da77en said:

When it comes to the alien insanity like state I've tapped into in the last couple hours, I've been easing into it. My current observations are that it's almost analogous to jumping into ice cold water, but for your overall state of consciousness and sense of reality. I've been acclimating and it's not actually as unpleasant anymore and it's way more manageable. It does still depend on how deep you are going into it.

Two histories of insanity 

 

Once I was sailing alone in the ocean in a storm force 10, with waves around 10 m, more than thousand of km of shore, the third day without sleeping everything was going in slow motion. Making the gesture of grabbing a crank required concentration and coordination. Outside I was constantly tied to a harness since the risk of falling into the water was very serious and it's death in a not nice way. The mind stops working, you are not a human, you have no preferences, your clothes are wet, going to the bathroom is a difficult process, it doesn't matter, you are a cog in the boat, its operating module.

Your mind only deals with sounds, changes in movement, sensations, you are one with the boat that moves at high speed through the wildly rocking waves. You manage to sleep for a few minutes, a superficial sleep, night comes, everything is dark, the rain falls almost horizontally due to the wind, there is no fear, there is no joy, there is no sadness, you are a machine. 

 

On one occasion I went flying with my hang glider, a maximum performance Russian brand delta weighing about 50 kg, pole less, capable of reaching 160 km/h. The wind up the slope was strong, about 80 km/h. 5 guys held the wing while I, hanging from the harness, moved towards the edge. My feeling was absolute calm, calmer than at home watching a movie, my mind was a lake. I said to let go, I was thrown upwards by the enormous force of the ascending wind, until I was located about 400 m from the slope, which was about 800 m above ground level. I realized with surprise that I was not moving forward in my position relative to the ground, I saw my companions like ants down there always in the same place. If the wing accelerated to maximum could reach 160 km h and the wind was 80 km/h,  it had to be able to penetrate it and move forward, but it couldn't. I pushed the control bar back as far as possible to increase speed but it still didn't move forward.

At that moment the wing began to make a very violent pendulum movement of about 60 meters in diameter, moving like a grocery bag thrown into the wind. My calm was still total but at that moment I had an auditory hallucination. It was the voice of a guy I know saying: his wing hit an ax and he killed himself. At that moment I realized that the headset I had in my ear was screaming, I could hear a guy saying: you're over controlling the wing! I thought, of course, I am more than 160 km h speed inside the wind and this makes the wing lose its stability that is why it moves like that, but then, why don't I penetrate the wind? Just an explanation: the wind is greater than 160 km/h, how is this possible? I don't know. possible solution, turn around 180 degrees. Extreme danger, I am on the top of a mountain, the updraft of the leeward slope becomes downward and I would be crushed against 20 meter pine trees. You have to try and see what happens. I turn around, I start moving in the opposite direction at brutal speed. At a given moment, already downwind and at the beginning of the downdraft, I turn 180 degrees again, see a round clearing of about 50 meters between the pines and accelerate towards it as much as possible. My mind is absolutely calm, anything can happen, I am not a human, I am a computer that analyzes possibilities, I pass very close to the last pine trees and manage to navigate the clearing between turbulences that make it rise and fall constantly, close to the ground, at too much speed, I curl up in a ball, I fall, the wing is broken with the aluminium bars folded, which absorbs the impact, I get up with a slight pain in my ankle while I see the 5 guys running like crazy thinking about what they were going to find. Later we deduced that the wind was so hard because it was another peak close this that makes a venturi effect, like a funnel at this height, and the wind duplicates it strength or more.

Edited December 3 by Breakingthewall

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Exactly. Here they means insanity like: so so so cooooool INSANE level of consciousness (that only me can reach, looser) , that make me soooooo special. But no. Insanity is being alcoholic and hate people because they are of another football team. It's not cool on my opinion 

 

[Da77en]

@Breakingthewall I don't know what these kinds of states are, I cant comprehend them. I honestly don't recommend them, it would be better from my perspective to work on going into states of love and ecstasy, as opposed to these incomprehensible states.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Da77en said:

@Breakingthewall I don't know what these kinds of states are, I cant comprehend them. I honestly don't recommend them, it would be better from my perspective to work on going into states of love and ecstasy, as opposed to these incomprehensible states.

I couldn't care a jot what I am since I only visit here for the payoffs baby

Hit me baby one more time

 

[Da77en]

@gettoefl States such as these could be useful but they require a lot of integration and grounding. You have to recalibrate your understanding of consciousness afterwards. I would say it's such an expanded state of consciousness that it feels alien and insane. I don't think it's actual "insanity" though, it's an expansion of consciousness.

Edited December 3 by Da77en

[vibv]

16 hours ago, Salvijus said:

Insane to me means that which has no connection with reality or the truth. So it's the opposite of enlightenment. Unless people have a different definition of that word. 

The Truth has to be insane. How could it be sane? Sanity is a human construction.

Edited December 3 by vibv

[Yimpa]

3 hours ago, vibv said:

The Truth has to be insane. How could it be sane? Sanity is a human construction.

It can be both. 

 

Edited December 4 by Yimpa