Sadhguru admits is possible to exist without breathing

[Inliytened1]

24 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

In a Sadhguru interview (and i’m not a fan)

 

I think he said something like as a kid he didn’t believe in anything, he’d stare at things for hours to figure them out. And he told his teacher i don’t believe this and i don’t believe that. Yet his followers just believe him.

 

and that’s just another story.

Why do you think Leo says don't take my word for it - don't hold what I'm about to say as a belief.  Now he does say test or validate it for yourself but he doesn't mean that scientifically or conceptually.   (Subject/object duality) he means it actually through "direct experience" which also is a loaded phrase... there would be no experiencer.  Just as there is no one to breathe.  See how it could come together?

Edited December 3, 2024 by Inliytened1

[What Am I]

@PurpleTree I'm not really familiar with your beliefs. Do you have any experience with profoundly altered states? Either through meditation or psychedelics? If so, do you think they have a component of non-locality, or would you say it's just abnormal conscious activity generated by your brain?

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

@PurpleTree I'm not really familiar with your beliefs. Do you have any experience with profoundly altered states? Either through meditation or psychedelics? If so, do you think they have a component of non-locality, or would you say it's just abnormal conscious activity generated by your brain?

I don’t know. 

Yes i have some psychedelic etc. experience.

[What Am I]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I don’t know. 

Yes i have some psychedelic etc. experience.

That's a fair response. If you're agnostic on spirituality in general, I can't fault you for being skeptical about something that appears highly dubious, such as an ability like the one mentioned in this thread.

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

That's a fair response. If you're agnostic on spirituality in general, I can't fault you for being skeptical about something that appears highly dubious, such as an ability like the one mentioned in this thread.

I feel like there’s just a lot of horse crap in spirituality and religion. And it’s not really helping anyone, it’s just confusing and keeping people trapped. Although maybe there isn’t even anyone who could be trapped.

28 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why do you think Leo says don't take my word for it - don't hold what I'm about to say as a belief.  Now he does say test or validate it for yourself but he doesn't mean that scientifically or conceptually.   (Subject/object duality) he means it actually through "direct experience" which also is a loaded phrase... there would be no experiencer.  Just as there is no one to breathe.  See how it could come together?

Yea i know he often said that. I think he didn’t say it during covid hehe but it’s fine.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I feel like there’s just a lot of horse crap in spirituality and religion. And it’s not really helping anyone, it’s just confusing and keeping people trapped. Although maybe there isn’t even anyone who could be trapped.

Yea i know he often said that. I think he didn’t say it during covid hehe but it’s fine.

Sadhuru to me...he may be awakened but he has too much Orange.  He's too much the entertainer which will diminish the quality of his work.  Hence he is OK with a bunch of newbies believing in his words.  Leo is far superior as a teacher because he didn't give in to the temptations of Orange. 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Inliytened1

[What Am I]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

I feel like there’s just a lot of horse crap in spirituality and religion. And it’s not really helping anyone, it’s just confusing and keeping people trapped. Although maybe there isn’t even anyone who could be trapped.

I hear you, and while I agree there's a bunch of trap-like subjects in spiritual teachings that can counterintuitively prevent further growth, I also think a lot of those details matter in developing a fuller understanding of how this all works.

Taking the breath thing for example. There's some very relevant truth to the way your breathing modifies in higher states of consciousness, with a large acute reduction in need being something you can expect as you continue to gain in skill. It's not dissimilar to when you go to sleep, where your heart rate and respiration slowly decrease as you sink into dreaming and then dreamless states of sleep.

[Inliytened1]

14 minutes ago, What Am I said:

I hear you, and while I agree there's a bunch of trap-like subjects in spiritual teachings that can counterintuitively prevent further growth, I also think a lot of those details matter in developing a fuller understanding of how this all works.

Taking the breath thing for example. There's some very relevant truth to the way your breathing modifies in higher states of consciousness, with a large acute reduction in need being something you can expect as you continue to gain in skill. It's not dissimilar to when you go to sleep, where your heart rate and respiration slowly decrease as you sink into dreaming and then dreamless states of sleep.

Did you have awakenings via meditation or psychedelics?

[What Am I]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Did you have awakenings via meditation or psychedelics?

I have mild-to-moderate skill in meditation, but my most hardcore experiences so far have been from psychedelics. Many from both DMT and 5-MeO-DMT, as well as others.

I'm a little hesitant to say I've had a full 100% awakening, but even if I haven't woken up and experienced the true fullness of consciousness, my eyes have definitely fluttered, so to speak. 5-MeO-DMT has a strong tendency to rip away your individuality and thrust you into the crown jewel of reality. It's so strong that it causes physiological changes and makes it easier to meditate sober, which has given it a unique place in my practice, even compared to other psychedelics.

If I remember correctly, your skill has all been via sober meditation. I find that highly respectable. After all my experience exploring multiple layers of reality and beyond from psychedelic use, I've come to realize that the one state that offers the highest potential is full sobriety with a strong body and mind. It seems to be the perfect launching platform, assuming you have the guts to take advantage of it.

[Inliytened1]

@What Am I Thanks and cool on your awakenings...but yeah I can't say it is really a skill.   When I stumbled onto spirituality I sat down in mediation - self inquiry to start - for about two weeks when it happened.   So I'd say there is some truth to Leo's theory on some are born with the innate ability.  But I'd say It's also timing, age (life experience) and other factors, such as suffering.  But that is also part of life experience.   Fuck up a lot and suffer for it.  It actually goes a long way when you sit down and meditate or take psychedelics 😀 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Inliytened1

[Carl-Richard]

On 1.12.2024 at 3:48 PM, Breakingthewall said:

It is strange that never, not even once, have these yogis undertaken a scientific test of their prowess. 

Firstly, that's wrong. Secondly, it's a bit like saying it's strange why a famous bodybuilder has never been seen heading an activism campaign for My Little Pony. It's a highly unlikely combination.

People who can levitate, like famous bodybuilders, are around 1 in 100 million. They have limited interests, and most of them probably don't even care to think about science (or My Little Pony), let alone having the idea to contribute to a research project or go through the practical aspects of doing that.

Additionally, people with serious psychic abilities tend to not have strong ulterior egoic motives (like fame, recognition, status, money) that could drive such a decision. Add on top of that the general problem with funding and publishing due to the stigma around such matters, it's very understandable that you would think it hasn't been done before (which again, it has by the way).

And of course, we live in a post-truth society where "everything is fake and AI-generated". So if you saw a video of a person levitating or read some study about it in some no-name journal, would you even believe it?

Edited December 3, 2024 by Carl-Richard

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Carl-Richard said:

People who can levitate, like famous bodybuilders, are around 1 in 100 million.

There’s nobody who can levitate smh.

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Magic.

Consciousness! 😎

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Such horse 💩 

Believing in such crap is the same mechanism that makes jihadis unalive themselves and lots of others while thinking they will get 47 virgins in heaven or an ak 47 or something. This stupid believing crap caused a lot of suffering for humanity. 🦭

Man you have to stop with this childish behaviour, is getting to a point is disrespectful. This forum is for high consciousness stuff, if you haven´t explored this things Is Ok but your attitude is not not cool. 

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

What does he mean by existing?

I must say is me who wrote it the title I'm not sure if he exactly said that in the video.

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

A body can't survive without oxygen for long.

The mindfuck is, theorically isn't it consciousness who is 'writing' the rules for a body needing oxygen to survive?

Once we accept that is all consciousness, the possibilities become endless 

[What Am I]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

@What Am I Thanks and cool on your awakenings...but yeah I can't say it is really a skill.   When I stumbled onto spirituality I sat down in mediation for about two weeks when it happened.   So I'd say there is some truth to Leo's theory on some are born with the innate ability.  But I'd say It's also timing, age (life experience) and other factors, such as suffering.  But that is also part of life experience.   Fuck up a lot and suffer for it.  It actually goes a long way when you sit down and meditate or take psychedelics 😀 

Yeah, no doubt on the notion of people being born with varying levels of innate access to this kind of thing. With everything I've seen, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the talent also comes from something that transcends materiality, in addition to having a genetic component.

[Javfly33]

4 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Yeah, no doubt on the notion of people being born with varying levels of innate access to this kind of thing. With everything I've seen, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the talent also comes from something that transcends materiality, in addition to having a genetic component.

Isn´t materiality also consciousness?

Body = Consciousness

Air = Consciousness

However how I see it:

In the dualistic creation we are in, air have a different consciousness configuration than body (thats what makes your body not disintegrate into air, or the air become your body), so as Sadhguru says, there must be a 'transaction'.

However, imagine you become so high conscious you dissolve the difference between the two, and you realize all this thing about your body needing air is just a game you are playing because you are not awake and you think you are inside a physical reality.

I mean nothing more to say, SG basically just said literally the Yogui could stay without breathing because he was in absolute God Consciousness. At God consciousness why would you keep telling yourself you need air? At that point you are too conscious to keep deluding yourself with those materialistic stories 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Javfly33

[PurpleTree]

4 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

Man you have to stop with this childish behaviour, is getting to a point is disrespectful. This forum is for high consciousness stuff, if you haven´t explored this things Is Ok but your attitude is not not cool. 

 

You “have” to stop this childish believing in fairy tales stuff. If it’s so triggering to you that i find your fairytales horse dung, put Purple on ignore.

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

You “have” to stop this childish believing in fairy tales stuff. If it’s so triggering to you that i find your fairytales horse dung, put Purple on ignore.

Is not triggering to me, but when you comment 5 times in every one of my posts it starts to become disrespectful.

Also coming from the fact that all that I post does not come from bullshit, you don´t have any idea the work I have been putting the last 3 years on sadhana. 

That´s why I said is childish behaviour. Because you are a child and you think the world is just the small bubble you have in your mind. 

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Yeah, no doubt on the notion of people being born with varying levels of innate access to this kind of thing. With everything I've seen, I wouldn't be surprised to find out the talent also comes from something that transcends materiality, in addition to having a genetic component.

That's precisely why I didn't use the term genetic.  Because genetics is still within fhe dream and is content. But the dreamer is what actually imagines the genetic component itself.

[What Am I]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

Isn´t materiality also consciousness?

Body = Consciousness

Air = Consciousness

However how I see it:

In the dualistic creation we are in, air have a different consciousness configuration than body (thats what makes your body not disintegrate into air, or the air become your body), so as Sadhguru says, there must be a 'transaction'.

However, imagine you become so high conscious you dissolve the difference between the two, and you realize all this thing about your body needing air is just a game you are playing because you are not awake and you think you are inside a physical reality.

I mean nothing more to say, SG basically just said literally the Yogui could stay without breathing because we was in absolute God Consciousness. At God consciousness why would you keep telling yourself you need air? You are too conscious to keep deluding yourself with those materialistic stories 

Ultimately, it would seem you're correct about it all being consciousness. And that's a concept I fully subscribe to as well.

But there's also something to be said for the illusion's importance, including all of its intricacies. It's easy to say it's all consciousness and sort of leave it there, but that might miss a whole range of phenomena that's between gross (material) and causal (God). That middle level is often referred to as the subtle (soul). It's in that zone where a shitload of extraordinary stuff becomes possible.

Also, to be clear, I'm a believer in something along the lines of allowing your own transcendent energy to actively take over the revitalization of the body in place of the breath. There was a previous thread where someone asked the question, and I go in-depth into my views there. In fact, I believe much more is possible than just not breathing. But at the same time, I'm empathetic to someone like PurpleTree who's inclined to not believe it.

 

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

You “have” to stop this childish believing in fairy tales stuff. If it’s so triggering to you that i find your fairytales horse dung, put Purple on ignore.

It must be triggering to you too 😀