Enlightenment

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yah yah, I understand your message, it's like all your messages in the forum, means: I'm better than you. 

Then now you will say,: peace brother 🤣 you are wonderful 

Everything is going to be okey brother. And I love you. I thought you are serious in the path? 

 

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Talk about of tears of happiness sound to me very like: oh I'm so profound and full of joy that I confuse and I thought that you didn't mean that. Yes all people cries of joy even watching movies or listening music, in psychedelic too, its a normal emotion

Your suffering will end soon, do not worry. Everything is going to be fine. Why this much suffering takes place? If you want pm me. 

[DianaFr]

On 29/11/2024 at 1:58 PM, James123 said:

What You are is empty, nothing, but as a self you are a still human being. 

Then what is a human being if it is nothing? 

[James123]

56 minutes ago, DianaFr said:

Then what is a human being if it is nothing? 

It's a drop in infinite ocean.

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Everything is going to be okey brother. And I love you. I thought you are serious in the path? 

 

Your suffering will end soon, do not worry. Everything is going to be fine. Why this much suffering takes place? If you want pm me. 

My suffering is because talking with you make me suffer because you are too passive aggressive and false 🤣

Edited Sunday at 08:50 AM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

My suffering is because talking with you make me suffer because you are too passive aggressive and false 🤣

How old are you? 

[Javfly33]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Mind or no mind is exactly the same! The mind in silence is not different than the mind talking,

It is different in the way it is felt. So for me is different. I prefer samadhi than stressing myself and having anxiety attacks.

You could say is all the same but personally I do have a preference in preferring the samadhi and I do not think that is selfish but rather the intelligence within choosing.

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The source is in the thoughts, there is not a source and the thoughts, you thinking are an appearance, you in silence are another appearance, both are facets of the reality. 

I must be very alone in this path. Razard, CarlRichard and You seem to think the same way. (in another post I also had this argument with them)

Ime There is a difference between the source and thoughts. 

The proof is you can be hours without thoughts, but thoughts can not happen without You. For me this is the proof I obviously not the thoughts, thoughts are a creation and a compulsion within me.

 

Sadhguru said thoughts or 'disturbances' happen because the source of creation which is pure intelligence sacrifices this intelligence for action (karma).

So basically every time you identify yourself with a limited happening that is karma, because you just abandoned yourself (Pure Bliss, Nothingness, Non Existence becomes compression, something, existence)

So basically it is in the forgetting of one self that one creates a reality and gets entangled in it. 

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

 samadhi is all time, there is not samadhi,

That is not my experience, but if that is yours 

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

there is not samadhi, just levels of openenss 

That´s also another perspective, yes.

I was understanding samadhi as no mind.

My point is openness happens when mind is stilled and no disturbance happens. 

[Ishanga]

@Javfly33 From what I understand Samadhi is not Enlightenment either but its the step just before Enlightenment happens, and there are 7 different types of Samadhi but Yeah its a no mind thing in basic terms, just pure Perception and Clarity arising where Life is found in the NOW moment, all else is irrelevant.. 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:25 AM by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

is different in the way it is felt. So for me is different. I prefer samadhi than stressing myself and having anxiety attacks.

You could say is all the same but personally I do have a preference in preferring the samadhi and I do not think that is selfish but rather the intelligence within choosing.

Yes of course, I mean that are the same in it's quality or substance. The point of spirituality is realizing what reality is. Reality could vibrate in many different ways, but its essence is always the same. As more open are you to your true nature, less anxious or suffering vibration . To be open to your true nature you have to abandon the relative perspective in some moments 

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

must be very alone in this path. Razard, CarlRichard and You seem to think the same way. (in another post I also had this argument with them)

Ime There is a difference between the source and thoughts. 

The proof is you can be hours without thoughts, but thoughts can not happen without You. For me this is the proof I obviously not the thoughts, thoughts are a creation and a compulsion within me.

You are differentiating between you, who would be the source that produces the experience and the experience. like a projector and what it projects, this is a perspective, the relative one. If you place yourself in the absolute perspective, there is not perceptor VS perception, there is only reality. 

 

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Sadhguru said thoughts or 'disturbances' happen because the source of creation which is pure intelligence sacrifices this intelligence for action (karma).

So basically every time you identify yourself with a limited happening that is karma,

The configuration of the human experience has a genetic basis that is tend to the good, avoid the bad. It's impossible to avoid this, and along the life this closes you inevitably. 

The reason this is so is that it has been the most efficient configuration to reach this level of complexity, we already know what the problem is, the creation of a very unpleasant mental structure that constantly borders on madness, an imbalance that forces the movement and makes humans evolutionary machines

In some cases, like yours, the individual decides to reverse that innate imbalance to balance in the now. The imbalance takes its impetus from the closing of the mind to what is perceived as negative, and the persecution of what is perceived as positive, this causes a constant movement that causes us to have vaccines and drop atomic bombs on cities. 

If you have made the decision to reverse the innate imbalance, at least to a certain extent, enough so that life is not an infernal race to nowhere, you must expand in the now, that is, becoming absolute.

 to do so you must eliminate the barriers that close you, you must hurry the whole cup, as they say. then existence changes frequency, it goes from being a skating race on the frozen surface of the lake (not without stimulating and beautiful challenges) and becomes an immersion in the depth of the lake. For me the ideal is to skate with art and aggression, seeking perfection, and at will melt the surface and dive into the lake, merge with it and be the lake. Why not have everything if you can?

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Sadhguru said thoughts or 'disturbances' happen because the source of creation which is pure intelligence sacrifices this intelligence for action (karma).

I think that the action of karma is a manifestation of intelligence. The relative perspective is the engine of the creation, without that there is only undefined being. Reality has the inevitable impulse of creation, as we could see, then the relative is inevitable.

 

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

was understanding samadhi as no mind.

Samadhi is not no mind, it's absolute perspective. In absolute perspective there could be thoughts, in relative perspective there could be silence. It's a change of angle, not an effort to silence the mind. Absolute perspective means that there is not difference between you/not you, that difference is relative perspective, that isn't false, is relative.

Absolute perspective can be at different levels of depth, because it's never totally absolute since we have a strong relative programming. In some points you could perceive the reality just as emanations, fluid movements than dance with itself without any observer, not definite forms, just fluid that coordinate within itrself perfectly, and recognize yourself as that from eternity. that recognition brings a different color and energy into life. you have access to the inexhaustible energy of reality, it flows into you directly, since that is what you are and there are no mental barriers that block it, this is pleasure and freedom by default

 

2 hours ago, James123 said:

How old are you? 

Mentally more than teenager 😉. I can't avoid to put my finger in the eye of your ego, I'm sorry. But you are acting as a teacher saying extremely confusing things, and many people could get confused, then I put a little of weight in the other side of the balance to equilibrate a bit and avoid some psychosis 😅

[Javfly33]

50 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

@Javfly33 From what I understand Samadhi is not Enlightenment either but its the step just before Enlightenment happens, and there are 7 different types of Samadhi but Yeah its a no mind thing in basic terms, just pure Perception and Clarity arising where Life is found in the NOW moment, all else is irrelevant.. 

 

Yeah, imo Enlightment is supposed to be the end. Absolute Realization as a Being.

Enlightment also is supposed to break time completely. Even if another universe would be created "You" still be Enlightened.  

Basically, the End of illusion 😇

37 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

You are differentiating between you, who would be the source that produces the experience and the experience. like a projector and what it projects, this is a perspective, the relative one. If you place yourself in the absolute perspective, there is not perceptor VS perception, there is only reality. 

 

If there is only reality what are you? What is reality?

The cup? The mountain? The hand? The thought? 

If any of these things disappear you disappear too then?

Edited Sunday at 12:16 PM by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

13 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Yeah, imo Enlightment is supposed to be the end. Absolute Realization as a Being.

Enlightment also is supposed to break time completely. Even if another universe would be created "You" still be Enlightened.  

Basically, the End of illusion 😇

If there is only reality what are you? What is reality?

The cup? The mountain? The hand? The thought? 

If any of these things disappear you disappear too then?

Yes, SJV says most ppl at the moment of Enlightenment die, and many realize Enlightenment at the moment of their physical death or maybe they are having a Samadhi moment at the moment of death but its not Karmically Enlightenment level of realization.. 

What I find interesting is that SJV has said that one can be Energetically Enlightened, like their Kundalini has hit and is staying at the Crown Chakra but they are not intellectually Enlightened or something along those lines...

 

Edited Sunday at 12:24 PM by Ishanga

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

there is only reality what are you? What is reality?

The cup? The mountain? The hand? The thought? 

If any of these things disappear you disappear too then?

The reality is the absolute being, the conciousness is the absolute being reflecting in itself, that is the relative experience. If the absolute being is not reflecting in itself, there is no,"happening" , then, as in any moment happening is, always happening is, because the option b isn't happening. 

Then, a speculation: 

Observing reality, we see that absolutely everything is cyclical. life, stars, atoms, universes. They begin and end, they are circular movement that ends where it began, since in an infinite frame there is no other final place to reach except the beginning. then we could deduce that the relative reflection of the absolute being in itself follows this same pattern.

The being looks at itself and this reflection is like when you contrast two mirrors, it is infinite. Initially it is absolutely basic, and given its infinity it begins to coordinate synchronously with itself. infinite dimensions perfectly coordinated for the simple reason that what is not perfectly coordinated to infinity does not appear. It is an unmanifest possibility, the manifest is perfectly coordinated.

This coordination creates increasingly complex forms, cycles within cycles to infinity, which increase in complexity until reaching infinite totality, looking directly at itself in a cosmic dance that branches without limit.

At a given moment, the total cycle ends, the infinite structure that has reached infinite perfect coordination bursts and the dance of form begins again.

 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

teenager

Definitely you are. No more replying you back. 

Much love and good luck to you.

 

[Javfly33]

4 hours ago, Ishanga said:

like their Kundalini has hit and is staying at the Crown Chakra but they are not intellectually Enlightened or something along those lines...

 

@Ishanga Maybe it means another thing, but I understand the 'Enlightened at the energy level' as being energy-wise in the same or close to the level of liberation of enlightment, but unconscious. Like the knowing hasn´t really completely hit the consciousness/intelligence itself.

So there is big freedom in how you handle your mind, but still there is a missing piece because total recognition in your intelligence hasn´t happened. As a metaphor, and of course in less levels, but alcohol or drugs work kind of like that, while you are on them you get a bit of samadhi, but you don´t know why. And of course when the alcohol/drug wears off that feeling ends.

I understand that thing about being enlightened at the energy level in the same way. It has happened, but there is still lacking to penetrate your intelligence. 

[Someone here]

@Princess Arabia why splitting hairs ?

[Princess Arabia]

21 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Princess Arabia why splitting hairs ?

Infinity includes everything.

[Javfly33]

20 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

The reality is the absolute being, the conciousness is the absolute being reflecting in itself, that is the relative experience. If the absolute being is not reflecting in itself, there is no,"happening" , then, as in any moment happening is, always happening is, because the option b isn't happening. 

 

Tell me, why all Gurus agree with me? Is just not Sadhguru:

@Breakingthewall

Basically in the sense of: You have to differentiate between the mind and You, or else you get identified in limited knowledge (Maya, Samara, Illusion)

But some of you guys understand the mind as you. This is dangerous, how can you trust the mind? Is limited. Therefore you become limited if you say it's you. 

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Tell me, why all Gurus agree with me? Is just not Sadhguru:

@Breakingthewall

Basically in the sense of: You have to differentiate between the mind and You, or else you get identified in limited knowledge (Maya, Samara, Illusion)

But some of you guys understand the mind as you. This is dangerous, how can you trust the mind? Is limited. Therefore you become limited if you say it's you. 

First, those gurus they copy each other and don't know what they're talking about. It's like I'm telling you: why do all religious people say that if you touch your penis, the baby Jesus cries? Are they all wrong? are you touching your penis? You don't mind that the baby Jesus cries? are you a monster? Maybe yes. 

Maya is the meaning that the ego gives to the reality, the reality is meaningless, because it's limitless, it's very simple. In absence of limits any meaning is apparent, not real, because there is no place to go, the point a is the same than the point b, the only meaning is being, and that's not a meaning. 

Those indian religious believe that the live has the meaning of finishing the karma because if not baby shiva cries. Well, I could think that I have to die with a sword in my hand to fuck a lot in the other life. Maybe it's true, but ultimately nothing has any meaning, the meaning is illusion, because the only thing that exists is being reflecting in itself, and castrating the mind with self control is not going to make any liberation. Movement is the same than stillness in it's essence. Those gurus make a difference, then, they are wrong. 

Edited Monday at 11:55 AM by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

@Breakingthewall There are also a lot of spiritual teachers that do not say those kind of things.

Even if most of them would copy others, from somewhere else the point of Liberation from Mind would have to come from somewhere, isn't It?

I do not Talk from imagination, Liberation from all chains (which are Nothing other than ultimately Mind) have happened in my experience, so Im just seeking It to stablish It.

Is not like Im telling you "I think Paris exists". Im telling you ive already gone to Paris 3 days, and now Im just handling some arrangements to move there.

Additionally, this is not Only in Yoga/Vedic path,  this is a well stablished Matter also in Buddhism, where Nirvana literally means:

blowing out,
extinguishing,
liberation

Guess Buddhism altogether is also fake?  @Breakingthewall

 

Edited Monday at 01:01 PM by Javfly33

[Javfly33]

@Carl-Richard You post a video of SG some months ago regarding exactly this Matter, do you remember by any which one was? He was talking precisely about the seeking of mukti or enlightment 

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@Breakingthewall There are also a lot of spiritual teachers that do not say those kind of things.

Even if most of them would copy others, from somewhere else the point of Liberation from Mind would have to come from somewhere, isn't It?

I do not Talk from imagination, Liberation from all chains (which are Nothing other than ultimately Mind) have happened in my experience, so Im just seeking It to stablish It.

Is not like Im telling you "I think Paris exists". Im telling you ive already gone to Paris 3 days, and now Im just handling some arrangements to move there.

What are the chains of the mind exactly? The only chain is be close to the  nature of reality, and the openess is not achieved repressing the mind in my opinion