Enlightenment

[James123]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know Buddha, why Buddha? But Krishnamurti and Ralston seem narcissistic clowns that talk to appear mysterious and superior , very swallow speech without truth. 

Osho says Buddha calls Nothingness. Moreover, Shadguru says about Krishnamurti king of intelligent, and about Osho king of contradiction. 

[Breakingthewall]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Osho says Buddha calls Nothingness. Moreover, Shadguru says about Krishnamurti king of intelligent, and about Osho king of contradiction. 

Post here some intelligent fragment of Krishnamurti, let's see how intelligent he is. I think he's 99% fake

King of contradiction what means? That he want to mock you? 

Edited Saturday at 05:55 AM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Post here some intelligent fragment of Krishnamurti, let's see how intelligent he is. I think he's 99% fake

King of contradiction what means? That he want to mock you? 

Krishnamurti says the same thing as Osho here. 

THis video is also good.

5 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

King of contradiction what means?

My English is not enough to explain that. Like, against all the ideas, thoughts, belief systems and just try to create something new. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

Krishnamurti says the same thing as Osho here. 

THis video is also good.

My English is not enough to explain that. Like, against all the ideas, thoughts, belief systems and just try to create something new. 

 

In the first video he said, empty your cup, it's the highest intelligence. Ah, so smart, it's first of spirituality, then, when the cup is empty, what he perceive? Nothing, he doesn't say nothing because his cup isn't empty because he's a scam. 

In second video he doesn't say absolutely nothing, using a so interesting attitude. Can't you perceive that he's fake? Anyone knows that of empty your cup, it's so obvious, but nobody pays us for that, but he was rich because that bullshit 

[James123]

@Breakingthewall do you remember to be absolutely open, you say it all the time, now I am telling you be absolutely open. That mean is not only saying absolutely open, that mean is be absolutely open to everyone, them ideas, belief, etc... this is an another way to empty your cup too and accepting what love is. 

Rumi has a word, everyone is right if you are right, everyone is wrong if you are wrong. 

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Breakingthewall do you remember to be absolutely open, you say it all the time, now I am telling you be absolutely open. That mean is not only saying absolutely open, that mean is be absolutely open to everyone, them ideas, belief, etc... this is an another way to empty your cup too and accepting what love is. 

Rumi has a word, everyone is right if you are right, everyone is wrong if you are wrong. 

Then I should believe the scammers? Bad idea imo

[James123]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then I should believe the scammers? Bad idea imo

If you believe everyone, which idea will certainly believe in? 

When You are completely open, You become empty. 

Edited Saturday at 07:58 AM by James123

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

If you believe everyone, which idea will certainly believe in? 

When You are completely open, You become empty. 

2 hours ago, James123 said:

@Breakingthewall 

There are ideas that open and another that closes. Many teachers are just scammers , narcissist who pursues attention and money. They are a hindrance in real spirituality, real shit because they preach the truth and are full of lies. Krishnamurti is a good example, but probably Osho is the same. It's not difficult at all learning the fundaments of enlightenment and even believe that you are enlightened, and go to preach being a fake. Probably most of them don't realize what they are, the ego is a wonderful mechanism, first lie yourself then you can lie the others more efficiently 

But anyway, If you want to believe everyone, listen speech of Mussolini to improve your spirituality, sure it's useful 

Edited Saturday at 08:26 AM by Breakingthewall

[James123]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

There are ideas that open and another that closes. Many teachers are just scammers , narcissist who pursues attention and money. They are a hindrance in real spirituality, real shit because they preach the truth and are full of lies. Krishnamurti is a good example, but probably Osho is the same. It's not difficult at all learning the fundaments of enlightenment and even believe that you are enlightened, and go to preach being a fake. Probably most of them don't realize what they are, the ego is a wonderful mechanism, first lie yourself then you can lie the others more efficiently 

But anyway, If you want to believe everyone, listen speech of Mussolini to improve your spirituality, sure it's useful 

Rumi is enough for me but he doesn't have a video to share but imo whoever i did share was a real deal. 

[Javfly33]

18 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

.  you are completely committed to the dogma of nirvana=nothing,

Enlightment is supposed to be end of you and also reality, because the empty intelligence (what they call here 'God') creates out of nothing (out of itself), therefore everything else is a proyection of this intelligence. 

Abiding in truth would be abiding in the realization that nothing exists but you, but not in a solipsistic psychological way, because this You is not a god or a soul but nothing, so it can not suffer anymore because it is not a 'thing'. It is the opposite of a 'thing'. 

I think the problem with the words of the absolute, god, spirit, it creates a big feeling of existing, therefore puts you away from enlightment/nirvana

 

Edited Saturday at 08:52 AM by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

4 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Enlightment is supposed to be end of you and also reality, because the empty intelligence (what they call here 'God') creates out of nothing (out of itself), therefore everything else is a proyection of this intelligence. 

Abiding in truth would be abiding in the realization that nothing exists but you, but not in a solipsistic psychological way, because this You is not a god or a soul but nothing, so it can not suffer anymore because it is not a 'thing'. It is the opposite of a 'thing'. 

I think the problem with the words of the absolute, god, spirit, it creates a big feeling of existing, therefore puts you away from enlightment/nirvana

 

Reality is not empty, is full of being. Emptiness is a límited appearance in the reality, real emptiness is just impossible, because the being is inexhaustible, then fills the infinity, it's total. 

[Breakingthewall]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

Rumi is enough for me but he doesn't have a video to share but imo whoever i did share was a real deal. 

Rumi is absolutely authentic. Where Rumi said that reality is nothing? Show. 

Do you compare Rumi whit a clown as Osho or Krishnamurti? Don't you see the difference? I think that you see, it's too obvious 

Krishnamurti over all is wonderful, it's a real artist of the fake. Osho is totally narcissist, very smart, maybe a genius, not maybe , a genius, but closed to the real source. He feeds of attention, is oxygen to him, and his mashamadi was just suicide with drugs , because was a man who suffered 

Don't be naive, the world is full of devils. Being open is not the same than being idiot 🤣

Edited Saturday at 01:51 PM by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Reality is not empty, is full of being. Emptiness is a límited appearance in the reality, real emptiness is just impossible, because the being is inexhaustible, then fills the infinity, it's total. 

Where this being is coming from?

 

@Breakingthewall Please tell me, dont you need an Empty container to fill an Infinite Space full of things?

Words can be tricky. When i say Nothing i dont mean something negative, like It is limited. To the contrary, I mean a tremendous possibility. 

[Breakingthewall]

41 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Where this being is coming from?

 

@Breakingthewall Please tell me, dont you need an Empty container to fill an Infinite Space full of things?

Words can be tricky. When i say Nothing i dont mean something negative, like It is limited. To the contrary, I mean a tremendous possibility. 

Fake. Nothingness doesn't exist. The thing is absolutely obvious, the reality is unlimited, and because this it is. You are, that's the "mystery", but itsnt a mystery, because is the inevitable consequence of the absence of limits. If you expand the void to infinity, it's full, absolutely full of you, the existence, the inexhaustible source. There are not limits, the nothingness is limited, and sadhguru....well, I don't know, i was listening this about nothingness, the galaxies etc, and is he joking? He doesn't understand nothing! The reality is not the matter or the energy, is the existence, the being. Any empty point in the space is infinite and full of everything. Everything is infinite, that's why everything is alive

Edited Saturday at 02:37 PM by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

When i say Nothing i dont mean something negative, like It is limited. To the contrary, I mean a tremendous possibility. 

There is only one thing: the infinity. Everything is the infinity and there is nothing out of it, then, any emptiness is the infinity, then contains everything, it's the infinite potential, it's what you are, there is no difference between the emptiness and a human or a stone, everything is the infinity that exist, enlightenment is just realizing what you are, it's absolutely obvious. What is not so obvious is understanding the dance of cosmos, but what you are is, just open your mind. Open, not empty. It's different, empty closes, castrates the mind, is a Buddhist mistake. That's why all of them seems so castrated, dead. 

[Javfly33]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Fake. Nothingness doesn't exist. The thing is absolutely obvious, the reality is unlimited, and because this it is. You are, that's the "mystery", but itsnt a mystery, because is the inevitable consequence of the absence of limits. If you expand the void to infinity, it's full, absolutely full of you, the existence, the inexhaustible source. There are not limits, the nothingness is limited, and sadhguru....well, I don't know, i was listening this about nothingness, the galaxies etc, and is he joking? He doesn't understand nothing! The reality is not the matter or the energy, is the existence, the being. Any empty point in the space is infinite and full of everything. Everything is infinite, that's why everything is alive, and sadhguru is a kid and a fake. 

Id say ultimately the experience of being nothing is what I am.

Thats why we can not find a self for much that we try, because there isn't any. 

Nothingness, fullness, Infinity, Who cares about words, I absolutely agree with you in the fact that everything is Alive. But my point is, what are we? What is this "aliveness" or Infinity? Is Nothing, is Empty, is black hole, we are free 

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Id say ultimately the experience of being nothing is what I am.

Thats why we can not find a self for much that we try, because there isn't any. 

Nothingness, fullness, Infinity, Who cares about words, I absolutely agree with you in the fact that everything is Alive. But my point is, what are we? What is this "aliveness" or Infinity? Is Nothing, is Empty, is black hole, we are free 

How could be empty if there is something? Even an illusion is something, or a thought. Imagine the emptiness without limits, an absolute abyss of emptiness. Then just a thought appears, just the minimal mirage. Then , this mirage would fill the absolute emptiness, because there is nothing else, this mirage will be infinite, without limits, this mirage is you, and it's not a mirage, is everything. The abyss has not bottom, then only a micron of being, that's you, is going to impregnate everything and amplifying, rising to the absolute power. It's impossible that there is nothing because there is everything rise to infinity infinitely. That's what we are, it's not a concept, it's something that you can't feel, realize, quite easy. Just removing any hindrance, fear, barriers 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

How could be empty if there is something? Even an illusion is something

Couldn´t something be a proyection of nothing? 

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Then just a thought appears, just the minimal mirage. Then , this mirage would fill the absolute emptiness, because there is nothing else

Then you are accepting here indeed the something is coming from nothing. 

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because there is nothing else

So you accept reality is nothing. 

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this mirage is you

You just said before that the mirage is the product of the thought:

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Then just a thought appears, just the minimal mirage.

So the mirage is NOT you. The mirage is something is created, is a consequence, a product. Is not fundamental to reality.

What I´m saying is, what is fundamental is nothingness, the blackness. Without a darkness you can not have light. 

Edited Saturday at 04:04 PM by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Then you are accepting here indeed the something is coming from nothing. 

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The something doesn't comes , it's absolute, it exists without beginning, "comes from nothing" implies Beginning of the infinity. 

14 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

You just said before that the mirage is the product of the thought

What I meant is that a thought is the same than everything else, a thought is the infinity, the whole thing 

15 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

So the mirage is NOT you. The mirage is something is created, is a consequence, a product. Is not fundamental to reality.

There is nothing different than the reality, a point in the empty space is the whole infinity, a though, anything, nothing is "another thing" of "just a thought"

16 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

what is fundamental is nothingness, the blackness. Without a darkness you can not have light. 

Darkness or light are appearances in the infinity, the infinity is not "something", or "nothing", or any dimension, it's the reality, in the reality emptiness could appear, but that emptiness is permeated of the nature of the reality. That nature is you, nothing different than you, only this exist, it's the absolute being, that is the absolute source because has not limits, void or empty means nothing, are the same, light, dark, full, something, nothing, all are. Be mean that are everything, nothing is except the being, what is not the being doesn't exist, it's absolutely obvious, the nothingness is the being then it's exactly the same than a rat, or a thought, or a galaxy, different dimensions between infinite dimensions 

[Javfly33]

28 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The something doesn't comes , it's absolute, it exists without beginning, "comes from nothing" implies Beginning of the infinity. 

You have meditated a lot. I´m sure you have experienced moments without mind activity. So What exists there? 

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What I meant is that a thought is the same than everything else, a thought is the infinity, the whole thing 

Thoughts are not constant, but the source of thought is. Wouldn´t you agree in this? 

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There is nothing different than the reality, a point in the empty space is the whole infinity, a though, anything, nothing is "another thing" of "just a thought"

Why then thoughts can disappear while the absolute remains?

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Samadhi "states" are the proof Consciousness or God do not need memory, imagination or "Mind" to exist. This is a second fabrication which can dissappears where the Absolute remains.

 

Additionally, song from the Patanjali Sutras:

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Yogaś citta vṛtti nirodhaḥ

Tadā draṣṭuḥ svarūpe 'vasthānam

Tada drashtuh svaroope avasthanam)

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Yoga is the stilling of the patterns of consciousness

So that awareness can exist in its true form

Otherwise awareness identifies itself to be the patterns of consciousness

We should not confuse a pattern or a compulsion with what you are. 

This is how consciousness keeps itself imprisioned, by attaching itself to your proyected memory. 

Memory is a creation of You (compulsion/pattern). A compulsion, pattern or movement is bound to exhaust itself, so that can-not-be-you. 

 

By the way, The song ends like this:

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Abhāva pratyayā 'lambanā vṛttir nidrā

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The perception that nothing truly exists leads to the state of deep sleep

 

Edited Saturday at 04:54 PM by Javfly33