Enlightenment

[Javfly33]

9 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

"If awareness was really there, you wouldn't have identified with the mind in the first place". What's noticing you have identified with the mind?..... AWARENESS..... YOU CANT ESCAPE WHO YOU ARE.

In that phrase, With you I already mean awareness itself, not the person. 

Awareness can identify itself with a limited identity or not. When it identifies itself, it becomes the thing which it identifies itself with, thats why the feeling of being the thoughts, of being the mind.

That's it. You lost yourself in that moment. There is not a second awareness in the backstage looking out for you if you identify with the mind. ( Which is what it seems you are telling me here: "There is always awareness being aware of X" ) Nope! If you make the choice of losing yourself in identification you made the choice.

If you choose mind over You, that´s your mistake. Don't try to protect your mistakes with a second invented awareness looking always for you, heheheh. Nice try 😂 @Princess Arabia

 

Edited Sunday at 10:48 AM by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

In that phrase, With you I already mean awareness itself, not the person. 

Awareness can identify itself with a limited identity or not. When it identifies itself, it becomes the thing which it identifies itself with, thats why the feeling of being the thoughts, of being the mind.

That's it. You lost yourself in that moment. There is not a second awareness in the backstage looking out for you if you identify with the mind. ( Which is what it seems you are telling me here: "There is always awareness being aware of X" ) Nope! If you make the choice of losing yourself in identification you made the choice.

If you choose mind over You, that´s your mistake. Don't try to protect your mistakes with a second invented awareness looking always for you, heheheh. Nice try 😂 @Princess Arabia

 

Sweetheart, I'm not in this game to protect my mistakes. I'd rather own a mistake and learn/understand and evolve up the ladder, not be right. I still don't see where anything you're telling me allows for that, though. I'm really crushed, sob sob that you actually thought I would try and "cover" a mistake. I'm not like that at all. You don't understand how much I'm in love with this stuff. Not obsessed, jn love. It's not a chore or work or practice or process for me, it's who/what I am. I don't see it as a competition, a trying to get something from, an end to suffering plight or I know more than you ego trip. 

If you're saying something to me that I can truly see where I'm mistaken, i would truly and honestly say, you're right and i overlooked that or whatever. In this case, I still don't see where what I'm saying is not the case and I truly think you're the one being misled or not understanding. I will keep trying to see what you're saying incase I'm missing something, though, as I'm well aware that I could be wrong about anything but in this case, I don't think I am. Awareness cannot be touched. It is like the space in the room. Unbothered by anything and has no qualities. It is the very source that gives life to the mind and objects and everything that's perceived and without it nothing exists. It is who we are at the core and I am aware that I am aware.

 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Sweetheart, I'm not in this game to protect my mistakes. I'd rather own a mistake and learn/understand and evolve up the ladder, not be right.

Amazing. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Awareness can identify itself with a limited identity or not. When it identifies itself, it becomes the thing which it identifies itself with, thats why the feeling of being the thoughts, of being the mind.

This is where I believe you're mistaken. Awareness doesn't identify with anything, the egoic mind does. Awareness is that which is aware of the false identification. The feeling of being the thoughts, of being the mind belongs to no one and the egoic structure falsely identifies with this. They are just feelings and thoughts without an actual person attached, but the person thinks its the thinker and doer. Awareness, being your true nature is aware of these attachments. It is aware of the misidentification. It is not a thing that can tell the egoic mind to stop being misidentified as the egoic mind and false identification really doesn't exist and is only an appearance within awareness.

 

[Javfly33]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is where I believe you're mistaken. Awareness doesn't identify with anything, the egoic mind does. Awareness is that which is aware of the false identification. The feeling of being the thoughts, of being the mind belongs to no one and the egoic structure falsely identifies with this. They are just feelings and thoughts without an actual person attached, but the person thinks its the thinker and doer. Awareness, being your true nature is aware of these attachments. It is aware of the misidentification. It is not a thing that can tell the egoic mind to stop being misidentified as the egoic mind and false identification really doesn't exist and is only an appearance within awareness.

 

You are allowed one reply of the Guru for day. Sorry I will reply and help you tomorrow sweetheart.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Javfly33 said:

You are allowed one reply of the Guru for day. Sorry I will reply and help you tomorrow sweetheart.

I believe you're the one with the ego trip. You seem very sure of yourself and isn't leaving any room for err. I don't need your help. Neither do you need my help. No one needs to be helped in this regard. Only have a better understanding. Your reply here shows me you are not even the one to make me understand anything as you're not even addressing what I've said only trying to show how right you are. That's why you thought I was doing the same. I will leave this right here and let you ruminate a bit and maybe come to see how awareness is untouched and unbothered by this whole conversation and you're right its not separate but it isn't identified only the contents are and awareness is also aware of that. 

[Javfly33]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I believe you're the one with the ego trip. You seem very sure of yourself and isn't leaving any room for err. I don't need your help. Neither do you need my help. No one needs to be helped in this regard. Only have a better understanding. Your reply here shows me you are not even the one to make me understand anything as you're not even addressing what I've said only trying to show how right you are. That's why you thought I was doing the same. I will leave this right here and let you ruminate a bit and maybe come to see how awareness is untouched and unbothered by this whole conversation and you're right its not separate but it isn't identified only the contents are and awareness is also aware of that. 

Im not in any ego trip, but If im trying to help you and your reply to me almost like you were angry then obviously I play my Game too. (I didnt expected for you to take the 'Nice try' phrase of my message in a bad way, I Thought It was just funny)

My view on Awareness is what It is. That It Awareness is always in the Now that And It fluctuates in a long spectrum between identification and non-identification.

So I just have to be honest in how It works in my experience, if in yours works all the time as non-identification,then great for you, then is you in that case who is the Guru 😜

Edited Sunday at 01:27 PM by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

We are all in ego trips ppl, Ego is what allows us to function as we are here, we communicate among ourselves, each with individual perspective that are slightly or greatly different to one another, which is the beauty of this sort of Creation and World we are living in, we can have just as much differences and individuality as well as Oneness, Completeness and Connectedness as well, they are both within our Capability, its only a matter of identification, how do You know You are identified with Ego, the mask, the false self that has beliefs and such, and shares it? When someone says something contrary to what Your Ego is telling You, and it stirs something up in your internal Experience then identification with Ego is present, how intense the feeling is and how long it lasts says everything, if its a short duration thing, then identification is weak or getting weaker, if it is long in duration then identification is strong or getting stronger, so use this place for that reason as well, and work on it...

Ego is neither good or bad, its something we have to deal with, its the Identification with it that is the problem...

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

And It fluctuates in a long spectrum between identification and non-identification.

Look into this. This is not the case. You're referring to mind here, which is not the same thing as awareness. You are aware of the mind and it's identifications and mis-identifications. Not awareness. Awareness is the only real thing. Everything else is coming and going, including the appearance of mind identification. Awareness is pure. Untouched. It cannot identify because it is what's aware of the identifications. This is why I say this is freedom and liberation and is already the case. It's the mind that's enslaved into thinking that it's this and that while Awareness, your true nature, is unscathed. 

Edited Sunday at 03:15 PM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

My view on Awareness is what It is. That It Awareness is always in the Now that And It fluctuates in a long spectrum between identification and non-identification.

You're not understanding what awareness is. You're missing the fact that this fluctuation is also an activity that you're aware of. You're not going deep enough. Anything you say, awareness is doing, there's also an awareness of that. Awareness cannot be known. Get to see this. If you say awareness is being such and such and is doing such and such. Who's aware of that. There is something that knows, while it itself is unknowable. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

(I didnt expected for you to take the 'Nice try' phrase of my message in a bad way, I Thought It was just funny)

I guess, I felt insulted like I'm trying to con my way into this stuff and that I'm trying to manipulate the convo and trying to maneuver my way into being right. Anyway, it was only in the moment, and not taken as anything to write home to mom about. Done and gone. Accuse me of anything but not trying to be right but merely having more understandings. There's nothing shady or wishy washy in this intention and it is the only thing i sincerely care about and that is to understand my true nature. I don't force it, I don't go searching for answers, and I have an open mind. Setting the aspiration and having the intention is all that's needed and everything else will fall into place of which action is the least effective. Can't know the Self gotta be the Self - there's only one Self and I am that. Meditation is what I already am as it means to become familiar with. I cannot become anything that I already am, I just have to recognize what i am not. 

[Ishanga]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Look into this. This is not the case. You're referring to mind here, which is not the same thing as awareness. You are aware of the mind and it's identifications and mis-identifications. Not awareness. Awareness is the only real thing. Everything else is coming and going, including the appearance of mind identification. Awareness is pure. Untouched. It cannot identify because it is what's aware of the identifications. This is why I say this is freedom and liberation and is already the case. It's the mind that's enslaved into thinking that it's this and that while Awareness, your true nature, is unscathed. 

Awareness is the wrong word to use, awareness is a life form thing, all living things/form have an Awareness, we Humans have the most capability in regards to Awareness, compared to a ant or plant, which has Awareness but its limited to Survival Processes, it may be different than ours but its limited, ours is not, we can Be Aware of things above Survival processes, like the Birth and Death of the Universe, the tiniest things within our own bodies, if one strives for it they can be Aware of many things from Gross to Subtle..

What Your talking about, in my understanding via your writings here, is Consciousness or Brahman, Absolute or Reality as an Grand Intelligence that is Creator and Creation as the sametime... We as Humans have the most capability of being intouch with this Brahman or Intelligence, Awareness of it is a part of this process! 

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

I guess, I felt insulted like I'm trying to con my way into this stuff and that I'm trying to manipulate the convo and trying to maneuver my way into being right. 

Damn, thats crazy that you took It that way. I expected you'd take it in a cool way like "dont be so smart 😎😏".

Personally It doesn't serve me to say "when I hit my child 9 years ago, there was Still awareness ". Is used as a kind of an excuse, and It takes out responsability which i think is one of the pillars of freedom

Imo you hit your child  because you were unaware in that moment, Lost in the compulsion of the rage/frustration of the Mind mechanism. Saying " but there was Still awareness in the back" doesn't help you in avoiding It doing It again. Because you are not Accepting that truly awareness not there at that moment

Can you hit a child if you are aware? No, you have to be unaware to hit a child.

Thats why people can not fight on MDMA, while alcohol can make easier for domestic violence to happen. (Alcohol is one substance that lowers awareness as we all know It)

 

Edited Sunday at 05:12 PM by Javfly33

[Ishanga]

25 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Damn, thats crazy that you took It that way. I expected you'd take it in a cool way like "dont be so smart 😎😏".

Personally It doesn't serve me to say "when I hit my child 9 years ago, there was Still awareness ". Is used as a kind of an excuse, and It takes out responsability which i think is one of the pillars of freedom

Imo you hit your child  because you were unaware in that moment, Lost in the compulsion of the rage/frustration of the Mind mechanism. Saying " but there was Still awareness in the back" doesn't help you in avoiding It doing It again. Because you are not Accepting that truly awareness not there at that moment

Can you hit a child if you are aware? No, you have to be unaware to hit a child.

Thats why people can not fight on MDMA, while alcohol can make easier for domestic violence to happen. (Alcohol is one substance that lowers awareness as we all know It)

 

P.S. I've never taken MDMA, so why can't ppl fight while on it, compared to Alcohol, I've of course use it and I've dealt with thousands of ppl that abused it while I did security work, its a very crazy substance that we have legalized, that most ppl cannot handle that causes tons of suffering, compared to ppl on weed, I've dealt with them too, and they are chill, laughing and hungry ppl that is it!!

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Damn, thats crazy that you took It that way. I expected you'd take it in a cool way like "dont be so smart 😎😏".

Personally It doesn't serve me to say "when I hit my child 9 years ago, there was Still awareness ". Is used as a kind of an excuse, and It takes out responsability which i think is one of the pillars of freedom

Imo you hit your child  because you were unaware in that moment, Lost in the compulsion of the rage/frustration of the Mind mechanism. Saying " but there was Still awareness in the back" doesn't help you in avoiding It doing It again. Because you are not Accepting that truly awareness not there at that moment

Can you hit a child if you are aware? No, you have to be unaware to hit a child.

Thats why people can not fight on MDMA, while alcohol can make easier for domestic violence to happen. (Alcohol is one substance that lowers awareness as we all know It)

 

Ok, I see where you're coming from with this awareness thing. Pretty much like the consciousness thing as in how conscious you are and high and low consciousness and very aware and somewhat aware and not aware etcetc. I get it now. Only thing is Awareness is awareness and the awareness that I'm speaking about is not the different states of awareness or levels of awareness. I'm conscious while writing this sentence is not the same as the consciousness that's fundamental and permeates through all of existence. Youre speaking of the adjective awareness, the one that describes a state of being, how aware are you etc. I'm speaking of the Awareness that looks through everybody's eyes and is the one awareness that we all are.

[Javfly33]

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

P.S. I've never taken MDMA, so why can't ppl fight while on it, compared to Alcohol, I've of course use it and I've dealt with thousands of ppl that abused it while I did security work, its a very crazy substance that we have legalized, that most ppl cannot handle that causes tons of suffering, compared to ppl on weed, I've dealt with them too, and they are chill, laughing and hungry ppl that is it!!

It seems It artificially activates for some hours certain parts of the brain very similar than those that activate when we feel very compassionate and empthatic towards others, and at the same time lowers certain rumination self identity Thoughts 

So basically It leaves you very aware of the Life around you, while at the same time you dont feel as important or as special, basically im a way you become a mother to the world.

Of course this is a simplification and mdma can affect in different ways to people but usually It is like that. Whereas alcohol you just dont care about anything lol

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

the consciousness that's fundamental and permeates through all of existence . I'm speaking of the Awareness that looks through everybody's eyes and is the one awareness that we all are.

You seem to Keep saying something like:

"oh, there is the awareness that creates the father that Beats his child yes, but There is this other awareness that is always neutral evercompassing the universe blablabla..."

NO! YOU DONT GET IT. THERE ARE NOT TWO AWARENESS.

The Awareness that gets entangled with the frustration of the Mind when you hit your child IS THE SAME ONE that gives life to whole universe and permeates me and you right now!!!

@Princess Arabia You are not getting that THERE IS ONLY ONE AWARENESS. 

ONE ONE ONE!!!!  There is not another awareness that is always there and neutral. No!!! The awareness that makes the father beat his child is the universal one. 

There are not two! The same awareness that makes an alcoholic beat their wife is the same one that creates a Picasso painting, the same one that is being aware of your Thoughts and the same one that reads through this words and replies to you.

 

Edited Sunday at 08:28 PM by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

55 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

It seems It artificially activates for some hours certain parts of the brain very similar than those that activate when we feel very compassionate and empthatic towards others, and at the same time lowers certain rumination self identity Thoughts 

So basically It leaves you very aware of the Life around you, while at the same time you dont feel as important or as special, basically im a way you become a mother to the world.

Of course this is a simplification and mdma can affect in different ways to people but usually It is like that. Whereas alcohol you just dont care about anything lol

You seem to Keep saying something like:

"oh, there is the awareness that creates the father that Beats his child yes, but There is this other awareness that is always neutral evercompassing the universe blablabla..."

NO! YOU DONT GET IT. THERE ARE NOT TWO AWARENESS.

The Awareness that gets entangled with the frustration of the Mind when you hit your child IS THE SAME ONE that gives life to whole universe and permeates me and you right now!!!

@Princess Arabia You are not getting that THERE IS ONLY ONE AWARENESS. 

ONE ONE ONE!!!!  There is not another awareness that is always there and neutral. No!!! The awareness that makes the father beat his child is the universal one. 

There are not two! The same awareness that makes an alcoholic beat their wife is the same one that creates a Picasso painting, the same one that is being aware of your Thoughts and the same one that reads through this words and replies to you.

 

I'm not saying there are two, I'm saying you're confusing being aware that you shouldn't beat your child or smoke cigs, or do drugs, or look before you cross the road with pure awareness There is only awareness, I'm aware of that. That statement right there "I'm aware of that" is a function of the one awareness that you are. 

The same awareness that makes an alcoholic beat his wife is not awareness itself. Awareness is aware of the husband beating his wife. The husband is conscious of his actions. I'm tired.

[Javfly33]

10 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm not saying there are two, I'm saying you're confusing being aware that you shouldn't beat your child or smoke cigs, or do drugs, or look before you cross the road with pure awareness

No, Awareness is the only intelligence that there is. There is not a self or a you inside a brain. 

Awareness is all there is. 

Why you keep making dualities? 

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The same awareness that makes an alcoholic beat his wife is not awareness itself.

Awareness is aware of the husband beating his wife. The husband is conscious of his actions. I'm tired.

🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 If you say so @Princess Arabia 
Keep daydreaming that Awareness is some magical neutral universal thing that just is outside the world, sure.

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Awareness is aware of the husband beating his wife.

Oh god.... Please stop watching those videos of non dual assholes they are brainwashing you.

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The same awareness that makes an alcoholic beat his wife is not awareness itself.

@Princess Arabia So let me get this. The awareness of the beating is some rented awareness by Awareness ? 🤣 Or what? Can't you see you are not making sense here? You just don´t want to accept the fact that the magical perfect Awareness that Rupert Spira and this assholes have sold to you is the same one that beats the fuck out of wives every year. 

But yes, keep dreaming, keep thinking like a 13 year old child. What the fuck do I care. Im the one now who is done with you. You dont want to grow up and accept responsibility. You are a child. 

You think this spiritual work is a game, but is very real. Awareness is not something you outsource responsibility to. Is not a God. Is You, and you have to take responsibility for it. Not treat it like an outside entity which is Perfect and Neutral like an Allah. Is sad that you don´t see this, but I can not try it more, you are closed, brainwashed, and not mature to start actually comprehending. You have made an Ideology out of this work, that´s why you are like a wall now. 

Edited Monday at 08:03 AM by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

No, Awareness is the only intelligence that there is. There is not a self or a you inside a brain. 

Awareness is all there is. 

Why you keep making dualities? 

🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 If you say so @Princess Arabia 
Keep daydreaming that Awareness is some magical neutral universal thing that just is outside the world, sure.

Oh god.... Please stop watching those videos of non dual assholes they are brainwashing you.

@Princess Arabia So let me get this. The awareness of the beating is some rented awareness by Awareness ? 🤣 Or what? Can't you see you are not making sense here? You just don´t want to accept the fact that the magical perfect Awareness that Rupert Spira and this assholes have sold to you is the same one that beats the fuck out of wives every year. 

But yes, keep dreaming, keep thinking like a 13 year old child. What the fuck do I care. Im the one now who is done with you. You dont want to grow up and accept responsibility. You are a child. 

You think this spiritual work is a game, but is very real. Awareness is not something you outsource responsibility to. Is not a God. Is You, and you have to take responsibility for it. Not treat it like an outside entity which is Perfect and Neutral like an Allah. Is sad that you don´t see this, but I can not try it more, you are closed, brainwashed, and not mature to start actually comprehending. You have made an Ideology out of this work, that´s why you are like a wall now. 

You're right. I've been brainwashed. I don't know what the hell i'm talking about and I've been ostracized from the Absolute. It has kicked me to the curb because I'm ignorant, uneducated about what's happening and need to go study some more to get it right....no but seriously, it doesn't really matter. All of these musings are just stories and are empty, means nothing and have no power. Life is happening including my misunderstandings and your sureties. Neither is right or wrong, it's just what is. Take it from me though, you're just as clueless as I am about what this is. It can't be known. I just realized that awareness is also just a fucking story. No such thing. It's all one energy appearing as someone that seems to be aware. That's all folks.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

You think this spiritual work is a game, but is very rea

Lol. Hehe. Real to you the fictitious made up human that thinks it's separate yeah. Keep dreaming.