Enlightenment

[Breakingthewall]

48 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

I get that but still- for you to function, to work and hold a job -  to do anything and function as a human in society, there is a sense of you in there.  That sense of you is what dissolves with awakening.  You believe you are whatever you believe you are and don't tell me that you just walk around existing and the body just moves for you because then you are going to sound just like these neo-advaitan morons who have twisted everything around and didn't actually awaken.  There is a sense of self there whether you want to admit that to me or not.  The opposite is something called Depersonalization disorder which is actually almost identical to awakening.  Do you have that?  No.

Let's see, obviously I know that I'm a man, that I need money, that I can be sick and that of someone hits me with an iron bar is bad for me, but we are talking in metaphisical sense. What are you ultimately. Then, ultimately it's beyond the conceptual dimension, anything that you could say conceptual has a limit, for example: I'm a man, that is a dimension of life after a lot of evolution, that is a dimension of the matter , that is a dimension of the energy, that is something that happens in the cosmos and that organizes itself in complex patterns. Ok, well, all this is conceptual. Then I could say: and this energy is a manifestation of the divine power that arises from nothingness because there are not limits and want to experience itself. But all that is not what you are, what you are is here and now, a reality beyond any concept, right? Then, can you, or anyone open yourself totally to realize what you really are? Then you can say all that conceptual thing, but really open to yourself, really, the absolute, is something different, it's just absolute, impossible to say. And it's not, ah ok, I'm conciousness, no, it's absolute and real, it's what existence is. It's nothing like obvious, or normal, or eureka moment, it's open a door that is closed . What closes is the movement, the experience 

Edited December 6 by Breakingthewall

[Inliytened1]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Let's see, obviously I know that I'm a man, that I need money, that I can be sick and that of someone hits me with an iron bar is bad for me, but we are talking in metaphisical sense. What are you ultimately. Then, ultimately it's beyond the conceptual dimension, anything that you could say conceptual has a limit, for example: I'm a man, that is a dimension of life after a lot of evolution, that is a dimension of the matter , that is a dimension of the energy, that is something that happens in the cosmos and that organizes itself in complex patterns. Ok, well, all this is conceptual. Then I could say: and this energy is a manifestation of the divine power that arises from nothingness because there are not limits and want to experience itself. But all that is not what you are, what you are is here and now, a reality beyond any concept, right? Then, can you, or anyone open yourself totally to realize what you really are? Then you can say all that conceptual thing, but really open to yourself, really, the absolute, is something different, it's just absolute, impossible to say. 

Humor me here because I want to do a little self inquiry.   Don't just dismiss and say you are a man but now let's think of the metaphysical sense.  No.  Don't just skip over that because in that is actual awakening.  You're conceptualizing by browsing over it.  No.  Sit down in meditation and dispel the notion that you are a man.  What is a man?  What does it mean?  Does it mean someone with a penis or is it an idea in your mind of a masculine entity.   Is it an entity behind the eyes that's masculine vs feminine?  For me I thought I was this, this entity behind the eyes.  A soul.  But when I realized that this was an idea or a thought it hit me that the me was a total illusion.  This spawned enlightenment.   So don't brush over this.  Enlightenment is not conceptual as you are explaining it to be.  It will be actual.

Edited December 6 by Inliytened1

[Breakingthewall]

16 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Humor me here because I want to do a little self inquiry.   Don't just dismiss and say you are a man but now let's think of the metaphysical sense.  No.  Don't just skip over that because in that is actual awakening.  You're conceptualizing by browsing over it.  No.  Sit down in meditation and dispel the notion that you are a man.  What is a man?  What does it mean?  Does it mean someone with a penis or is it an idea in your mind of a masculine entity.   Is it an entity behind the eyes that's masculine vs feminine?  For me I thought I was this, this entity behind the eyes.  A soul.  But when I realized that this was an idea or a thought it hit me that the me was a total illusion.  This spawned enlightenment.   So don't brush over this.  Enlightenment is not conceptual as you are explaining it to be.  It will be actual.

I can sit and totally stop thinking very easily because I do every single day. Then I don't think if I'm a man or any entity, there is empty mind and flow of life. But this is not enlightenment. Enlightenment is opening the experience and the manifestation of the absolute. Nothing else could be said. Being with totally empty mind is experience. A cat in the sofa has empty mind and it's an experience, and it's not enlightened, it can't be open to the absolute because it doesn't want to see and to open. It want to be the experience and be happy being a cat, nothing else. It's different. The absolute is what everything is beyond the experience, it's everything, and nothing, bla BLA, because it's no thing, no dimension, no perception, no experience, but it's everything. Just absolute. It is not even infinity, because infinity implies big without end. It's not big or small, it is absolute, that's it, and you are that, everything is that

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I can sit and totally stop thinking very easily because I do every single day. Then I don't think if I'm a man or any entity, there is empty mind and flow of life. But this is not enlightenment.

 

That is where you want to be but you haven't done it long enough for enlightenment.   For you it could take years of doing this and not leaving this state.  Many monks have sit and tried for decades.   I was lucky.  

Edited December 6 by Inliytened1

[JoshB]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

I was lucky.  

Same 

[James123]

2 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is where you want to be but you haven't done it long enough for enlightenment.   For you it could take years of doing this and not leaving this state.  Many monks have sit and tried for decades.   I was lucky.  

It can take dedicated 6 months to a year in darkness and silence retreat.

[Inliytened1]

37 minutes ago, JoshB said:

Same 

Haha.  Love that.  You are the buddah.  So when you see him on the side of the road spare him.  Hes you.  

[Inliytened1]

15 minutes ago, James123 said:

It can take dedicated 6 months to a year in darkness and silence retreat.

Agreed 

[JoshB]

8 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Haha.  Love that.  You are the buddah.  So when you see him on the side of the road spare him.  Hes you.  

If you meet the buddha on the road, kiss him

[Breakingthewall]

50 minutes ago, James123 said:

It can take dedicated 6 months to a year in darkness and silence retreat.

Your dick is so big. Oh my god.

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

That is where you want to be but you haven't done it long enough for enlightenment.   For you it could take years of doing this and not leaving this state.  Many monks have sit and tried for decades.   I was lucky.  

Oh my fuckin god 

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