Enlightenment

[Javfly33]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

What are the chains of the mind exactly? The only chain is be close to the  nature of reality, and the openess is not achieved repressing the mind in my opinion 

Ime The chains are simply identifying with the mind.

It doesn't Matter if the Mind is saying my football team lost and I Lost 300$ in a bet, or the Mind is saying I am God.

Both would be chains, since you would be identifying with something limited therefore as you say "being closed to reality".

 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Ime The chains are simply identifying with the mind.

It doesn't Matter if the Mind is saying my football team lost and I Lost 300$ in a bet, or the Mind is saying I am God.

Both would be chains, since you would be identifying with something limited therefore as you say "being closed to reality".

 

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Breakingthewall

I see it differently, it is not just ceasing identification, it is being open to what reality is, to its power, to the energy of existence, allowing it to flow without hindrance.

The main obstacle is fear, which translates into control. The cause of fear is ignorance. The lack of understanding of reality makes you afraid, this is not bad, it is a sign of intelligence. Ignorance and absence of fear is stupidity.

Erasing ignorance does not mean knowing that you are god or anything else, it means understanding that you are, you are flowing as a vital flow of existence. This allows you to abandon yourself more and more, give up control, open yourself to the true nature of living reality, what allows deeper understanding, meaning understanding the realization of you as a flow, nothing definite or conceptual. 

There are many layers, we are operating in a superficial layer. It's possible to see deeper and deeper, but what is important is not seeing deeper, is realizing what you are, what is the substance, the total openess, the infinity that is. That is you, not another thing, precisely you, it's not someone, it's the absolute being, what is impossible not be. It's the consequence of the total depth and width without limits .

Then, I still afraid, I don't want become sick or cutting my legs, but I deeply know that if that happens it's the flow that must happen. I'm projecting to the good, to the success, the love, the business, the positive human push, but just following the flow, let's see where it leads, what's obvious is that the path is limitless, then better don't do stupidity, not even one. It's not a yoguic path of being out of the world. The game is here, it's extremely complex, like swimming in a race of obstacles being blind. Only the instinct work. Fascinating right? Reality is meaningless, but in life even a single word has infinite weight, it develop in infinite butterfly effect in all the cosmos. This is a dance like the dervish in a blade. 

Edited December 2 by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

I think the key to all of this is too not get too stuck on the Specifics, what I read from Javy and Breakingthewall is pretty accurate, but this is just intellectual knowing, its how to make it a real experience the for individual... 

There are many ways, find one that works and stick with it, don't talk about it much, that will make it too intellectual and take one of track, just do the work and if You want report back the results only I would say is good advice, don't debate reality and make it into a subject or philosophy, that takes You further away!

[Javfly33]

20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I see it differently, it is not just ceasing identification, it is being open to what reality is, to its power, to the energy of existence, allowing it to flow without hindrance.

 

Sometimes you say you are reality, other times you say you are something else

Because if you "have to be open to reality" then you must be something else that is not reality. Since that phase implies reality is something you have to Connect to. So is something outside or different to you?

My experience is: I am reality, but the mind can make me create/belief that I am a thing inside reality. 

Edited December 2 by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

Sometimes you say you are reality, other times you say you are something else

Because if you "have to be open to reality" then you must be something else that is not reality. Since that phase implies reality is something you have to Connect to. So is something outside or different to you?

My experience is: I am reality, but the mind can make me create/belief that I am a thing inside reality. 

You have to open to yourself, because you are closing yourself with energetic blockages. It's impossible that you are anything different than the reality but the human energetic configuration is blocked by default, it's genetic. Fear, need to acceptance, evolutive tools extremely strong that we are trying to overcome 

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

I think the key to all of this is too not get too stuck on the Specifics, what I read from Javy and Breakingthewall is pretty accurate, but this is just intellectual knowing, its how to make it a real experience the for individual... 

There are many ways, find one that works and stick with it, don't talk about it much, that will make it too intellectual and take one of track, just do the work and if You want report back the results only I would say is good advice, don't debate reality and make it into a subject or philosophy, that takes You further away!

I only talk of my experience and my perception, zero theory, just expression of my reality 

Edited December 2 by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Sometimes you say you are reality, other times you say you are something else

Because if you "have to be open to reality" then you must be something else that is not reality. Since that phase implies reality is something you have to Connect to. So is something outside or different to you?

My experience is: I am reality, but the mind can make me create/belief that I am a thing inside reality. 

If you want I could say, you have to open to yourself, but it's more you have to open to reality because that you is the ego. It's an energetic configuration that the reality takes to create this form.

Seems that the reality is like an infinite kaleidoscope that creates increasingly complex configurations, and each one of them contains the entire infinity, that is the nature of the infinite, it is not divisible, the part is the whole, so openness is to stop perceiving yourself as the concrete form and perceive yourself as total reality.

This is totally possible, because we really are that. Really, here and now, it is not a mystical story, it is reality, it is something normal, infinity. then, once you perceive yourself as the unlimited whole you perceive the part as what it is, flow of reality taking this form, so the jokes are over, absolutely every gesture has meaning and repercussion, life is pleasure for the fact to exist but it is also evolution, ascension

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

I think the key to all of this is too not get too stuck on the Specifics, what I read from Javy and Breakingthewall is pretty accurate, but this is just intellectual knowing, its how to make it a real experience the for individual... 

There are many ways, find one that works and stick with it, don't talk about it much, that will make it too intellectual and take one of track, just do the work and if You want report back the results only I would say is good advice, don't debate reality and make it into a subject or philosophy, that takes You further away!

I talk about this in the forum not by theory, it's because if I met some friends to talk about stupidity I get bored, I'm interesting in the absolute, then, if you are a pretty girl, welcome to talk about nonsense, but if you aren't (and I'm afraid that), I'm only interested in the game of the cosmos

[Someone here]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

I see it differently, it is not just ceasing identification, it is being open to what reality is, to its power, to the energy of existence, allowing it to flow without hindrance.

The main obstacle is fear, which translates into control. The cause of fear is ignorance. The lack of understanding of reality makes you afraid, this is not bad, it is a sign of intelligence. Ignorance and absence of fear is stupidity.

Erasing ignorance does not mean knowing that you are god or anything else, it means understanding that you are, you are flowing as a vital flow of existence. This allows you to abandon yourself more and more, give up control, open yourself to the true nature of living reality, what allows deeper understanding, meaning understanding the realization of you as a flow, nothing definite or conceptual. 

There are many layers, we are operating in a superficial layer. It's possible to see deeper and deeper, but what is important is not seeing deeper, is realizing what you are, what is the substance, the total openess, the infinity that is. That is you, not another thing, precisely you, it's not someone, it's the absolute being, what is impossible not be. It's the consequence of the total depth and width without limits .

Then, I still afraid, I don't want become sick or cutting my legs, but I deeply know that if that happens it's the flow that must happen. I'm projecting to the good, to the success, the love, the business, the positive human push, but just following the flow, let's see where it leads, what's obvious is that the path is limitless, then better don't do stupidity, not even one. It's not a yoguic path of being out of the world. The game is here, it's extremely complex, like swimming in a race of obstacles being blind. Only the instinct work. Fascinating right? Reality is meaningless, but in life even a single word has infinite weight, it develop in infinite butterfly effect in all the cosmos. This is a dance like the dervish in a blade. 

  @Breakingthewall good shit 👍

[VeganAwake]

On 11/29/2024 at 11:34 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Interpretation happen when you talk. There is only one thing to know: I am. In it is everything, it's the absolute understanding, omniscience. Anything else are only details, collateral things. The core of the reality is that the total abyss without bottom is, and that is you, because it's the only "thing" that is, or better is the isness itself. It's not conditioned mind or something learned, is the description of a fact, and in it it's everything, it's the absolute potential. Perception is relative, but isness is absolute, and in this absolute perception happens. Perception is just the surface, under it is the totality. Isness is not just simply being, is the absolute depth where everything is. In this very moment the whole infinity with all it's power, that is (redundantly) infinite, is. The fact of the absence of limits make this moment that is infinite, and this infinity is the cause of that I am, I am the totality of existence manifesting, I totally know my character as absolute being, and I totally know that anything else is the same being, it can't be more obvious. 

Why you are? Because there are not limits . Nothing is finite, a thought is infinite, there are infinite infinity reflecting in themselves, and all are the same: you. Simple right? And infinitely intrincated. Look at yourself in the face, to the abyss without bottom. At first it's panic, because it's precisely an abyss where you dissapear. Then, you realize that you are the abyss. You are at home, because you are that, the absolute power that is. The total will of being, the dance of the cosmos. Then, dance. It's inevitable.

Enlightenment is recognizing the very character that believes ⏫️, isn't even real! 

That's what's referred to as spiritual super ego! 

But these beliefs will only collapse upon clearly seeing that the believer is an illusion of self!

❤️ 

Edited December 3 by VeganAwake

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Enlightenment is recognizing the very character that believes ⏫️, isn't even real! 

That's what's referred to as spiritual super ego! 

But these beliefs will only collapse upon clearly seeing that the believer is an illusion of self!

❤️ 

Yeah sure, I hope that that brings you calm and security. 

[VeganAwake]

Ego feeds like a hungry wolf on beliefs of being everything with absolute power, it simply can't fathom its own unreality.

When it comes to ego, it's all about the identification, & bigger will always feel better!  Hence the notion of "inflated ego"

 

Ego's come to this forum and hear about something called enlightenment. Of course this sounds incredible for the ego. So it does a fake stripping down old self ritual and immediately starts building up its new profound spiritual ego/higher self identification. It will identify with any notion that it believes will make it stronger. At first it believes it's just acquiring prolific spiritual knowledge.....but it's actually slowly morphing into that as identity.

Then in a lame attempt to keep itself inflated, this spiritual super ego runs around the forum telling others about what they have learned.........and knowing all the while, if they go outside the forum with this message, they will be extradited immediately for insanity!

The end! 😁

❤️ 💙 💜 

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Ego's come to this forum and hear about something called enlightenmen

10 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

 

Yeah baby, I was masturbating watching porn and by accident I watched a video of a guru and I thought! Shit, I want enlightenment! Yeahhhh, I was a looser in high school,but now those chads are going to see who's the boss! Shit, I'm on top! 

Man please, consider the possibility that are areas and levels of human capacity that are out of your , let's say, potential in this life, and try to respect people hows more intelligent and perceptive than you in several orders of magnitude 

Edited December 3 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, VeganAwake said:

Ego feeds like a hungry wolf on beliefs of being everything with absolute power, it simply can't fathom its own unreality.

When it comes to ego, it's all about the identification, & bigger will always feel better!  Hence the notion of "inflated ego"

 

Ego's come to this forum and hear about something called enlightenment. Of course this sounds incredible for the ego. So it does a fake stripping down old self ritual and immediately starts building up its new profound spiritual ego/higher self identification. It will identify with any notion that it believes will make it stronger. At first it believes it's just acquiring prolific spiritual knowledge.....but it's actually slowly morphing into that as identity.

Then in a lame attempt to keep itself inflated, this spiritual super ego runs around the forum telling others about what they have learned.........and knowing all the while, if they go outside the forum with this message, they will be extradited immediately for insanity!

The end! 😁

❤️ 💙 💜 

Man, they will eat you up and chew you to pieces if you come on here with this bullshit.😅. You have to act crazy first and act like you don't know what you talking 'bout. Say some dumb ass shit for weeks and act delusional and crazy. Then when you say shit like this, they'll just say "he so crazy". 🤣🤣That's what I did. 😛

 

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

More scientists should be interested in studying enlightenment, because it’s a solution to all problems since it eliminates the very self that has a problem. Imagine if top scientists got together and studied it rigorously from different angles, imagine what potential such research has. 

[Breakingthewall]

51 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Man, they will eat you up and chew you to pieces if you come on here with this bullshit.😅. You have to act crazy first and act like you don't know what you talking 'bout. Say some dumb ass shit for weeks and act delusional and crazy. Then when you say shit like this, they'll just say "he so crazy". 🤣🤣That's what I did. 😛

 

 

 

Enlightenment is obviously real. Reality is, and you are that. Under the appearance of an experience, the absolute is, in it's total plenitude. It's out of the dimensions, the time and the movement, the dimensions, the time and the movement are appearances that happens in it. And.... something interesting: for some spirituality means being retarded and repeat: nothing, no self, nothing, if you talk  about enlightenment is because your dick is short, bla BLA BLA bla. 🥱😴🥱😴. Only who dares to cross all the frontiers are chosen. The others, well, I hope they are happy in his , how to say? Self imposed limitation created to feel relief and feeling safe hidden the head like that bird that I don't want to search the name 

The reality alive is here and now, and you are that, then, who else could penetrate in it and open it totally? Ah sorry, that I don't exist. 😭 Let's dance in the mental institution 

Edited December 3 by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

35 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

and you are that,

Ok, enlightenment. Thanks. Yippee I'm enlightened. I am that. Now go ahead and put in all your work and let me know when you feel enlightened. 

Edited December 3 by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is obviously real.

Just as real as Donald the duck. Everything is real and unreal simultaneously. I didn't say it wasn't real, but real for whom.

[Princess Arabia]

41 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

, the time and the movement, the dimensions, the time and the movement are appearances that happens in it.

Maybe I can enlighten you a bit. It's not happening within it, it's happening within the mind. The same mind that wants to dance the enlightenment dance. The same mind that told you "let me enlighten you a bit".

Edited December 3 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Maybe I can enlighten you a bit. It's not happening within it, it's happening within the mind. The same mind that wants to dance the enlightenment dance. The same mind that told you "let me enlighten you a bit".

The mind is movement, experience, the absolute is not a mind, it's just absolute and it's impossible to name it, think in it, or define it. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

The mind is movement, experience, the absolute is not a mind, it's just absolute and it's impossible to name it, think in it, or define it. 

Sure. It's everything. That's what Absolute means. It also includes the word enlightenment. It also includes people who are seeking to be enlightened and it also includes people who are not. It's the word itself and the enlightened being, the cosmos, the opening, the fish and the birds. It also includes the person who doesn't believe in enlightenment and the enlightened guru. It includes your laugh emojii and my cynicisms. What am I missing here.

[Javfly33]

 

13 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Sure. It's everything. That's what Absolute means. It also includes the word enlightenment. It also includes people who are seeking to be enlightened and it also includes people who are not. It's the word itself and the enlightened being, the cosmos, the opening, the fish and the birds. It also includes the person who doesn't believe in enlightenment and the enlightened guru. It includes your laugh emojii and my cynicisms. What am I missing here.

@Princess Arabia Wrong. Theorically you are correct, but practically it is important to differentiate.

The absolute is the reality which has no traces, no memory, no action, no manifestation, no movement, no distortion, no compulsion.

What we call the 'relative', yes, in a way it is also the absolute, but is the absolute that has forgotten itself, and thus have created a limitation out of itself.

 

So basically in a way, even though theoretically might be correct to say "Everything is the absolute". It is wise to do a differentiation between pure intelligence (the absolute) and memory (Maya, illusion).

In the end all might be united, but I belief, to get first to that, we need to stop calling the creator the creation. The creator exists without creation, but the creation needs the creator to exist. 

 

So ultimately the emojis, the people, the gurus, these are all Maya, these are limitations, all of these things are not you, because these things are limitations, and you are an unlimited experience/being. 

Edited December 3 by Javfly33