Enlightenment

[James123]

Enlightenment is simply recognition of there is no İ. 

But what is this İ?

İ=Thinker=Universe. 

Recognition of this is what enlightenment is. 

Therefore, one realizes this, enlightenment fades away too. 

[Hojo]

We going stream surfing

[Princess Arabia]

This is like saying the cat recognizes it's a cat. The cat doesn't see itself as a cat. The I doesn't see itself as an "I". The "I" doesn't think, thinking happens. There is no Universe, there only appears to be a Universe. Who is the one that realizes enlightenment. The one that doesn't exist or the one that does. The one that doesn't, cannot realize anything but only within the realms of it's own illusion and will also be illusory. and the one that does cannot know it's enlightened. To know you're enlightened means separation because knowledge IS separation. Who is the one knowing. If all there is is mind, enlightenment has to be within the activity of mind, which by definition, it isn't and is a contradiction.

 

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 03:24 AM by Princess Arabia

[Princess Arabia]

The only thing that exist, doesn't need to be enlightened. The unchangeable doesn't need to be enlightened. The permanent doesn't need to be enlightened. This world is an illusion, a mirage, which is also real but only within the realms of the illusion. A magic trick of a woman getting sliced in two is an illusion but the illusion is real, in that sense. It's a real illusion. A rainbow is not really there and cannot be grasped, it's still a rainbow and a real rainbow. It's colors reflecting to appear as a rainbow. 

Nothing here is really real, so how can enlightenment be really real. It's only real as in the sense that everything else also appears to be real. Take away the world, enlightenment goes with it, take away the world, what remains is what's always present and what's aware that the world no longer exist. Something is aware of the world and that something will also be aware of the "no world". Awareness is all there is, and Awareness is also aware of the one claiming to be enlightened. What does the world consist of, everything that is forever changing. Nothing real ever changes, nothing unreal exists.

Edited Friday at 03:41 AM by Princess Arabia

[James123]

48 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is like saying the cat recognizes it's a cat.

There is no cat, because you think there is a cat, therefore there is a cat. So called you create everything via so called thinking. 

 

36 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

A magic trick of a woman getting sliced in two is an illusion but the illusion is real, in that sense.

A Drop in the infinite ocean. 

 

[VeganAwake]

It's also been described as:

A disentangling from the socially conditioned matrix of mind known as "ME" 

Nobody becomes untangled and liberated though. Its recognized there never was anyone bound in the first place!

No one to be bound & No one to be enlightened.

Which makes so-called enlightenment technically unreal along with everything else.

It reveals that apparent reality lacks any real substance or meaning.

❤️ 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Nobody becomes untangled and liberated though. Its recognized there never was anyone bound in the first place!

This is wrong, if there is no you, you shouldn't know how to write.

[JosephKnecht]

 

[Breakingthewall]

You are avoiding real enlightenment by the need of being already enlightened. It's very obvious that you are limited, real enlightenment is not recognizing that you don't exist, there is not I, or there is not anything, is fully opening to what is. There are many levels, the total level maybe it's impossible for a human. The source of reality is the source of the galaxies, the black holes, the infinite multiverses, is the inexhaustible source that flows. Any simple mind could say now : you are imagining the galaxies 😅. Guys, please, no one of you have arrived, be humble. Most have not even started. Yes yes of course, there is no place to arrive, I'm imagining that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Patient is needed 

[James123]

@Breakingthewall

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You are avoiding real enlightenment by the need of being already enlightened. It's very obvious that you are limited, real enlightenment is not recognizing that you don't exist, there is not I, or there is not anything, is fully opening to what is. There are many levels, the total level maybe it's impossible for a human. The source of reality is the source of the galaxies, the black holes, the infinite multiverses, is the inexhaustible source that flows. Any simple mind could say now : you are imagining the galaxies 😅. Guys, please, no one of you have arrived, be humble. Most have not even started. Yes yes of course, there is no place to arrive, I'm imagining that. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Patient is needed 

İnfinity is just a thought. What left is from 5 Meo to you. And you can never get over, because stuck in the mind.

Listen Krishnamurti. The supreme, higher self, no no it is infinite 😂 

 

 

 

[Ishanga]

Enlightenment is just everyone's experiential take on the Highest Potential they can Experience within any given moment..

For James 123 it is above, for others its a different take, its all okay, we are not invading each others home and being a actual threat to anyone, so recognize the feeling that arises when one makes a claim or statement then the need to react come up via this forum and replying, just use it...

The Highest Potential for me within this moment is not being a slave to outside situations, being at min Peaceful of my own nature, Living beyond Survival based needs in Awareness (being able to enjoy a butterfly in the air or the warm breeze or sunny day or snowy day even when outside situations are tough).  Can't think of anything higher up like understanding the total complexity of Nature and Reality, if basic things are not taken care of first, basic is Natural Peaceful/Blissful Nature first...

[James123]

@Ishanga @Breakingthewall Leo gura, these guys are lost with infinite levels of awakening because of you

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, James123 said:

Listen Krishnamurti. The supreme, higher self, no no it is infinite 😂 

Krishnamurti was fake, same than nisgardatta. Krishnamurti over all was a very smart scam

[Breakingthewall]

26 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Ishanga @Breakingthewall Leo gura, these guys are lost with infinite levels of awakening because of you

Hey stop insulting if you don't mind. Do you think that I'm talking because the "teachings" of Leo? I'm serious not like you.  all of your publications could be translated like this: hey hey! Heyyyy! Look at me ! Look at me!!!  I'm enlightened! I'm in the highest level! I'm sooooooooooooo soooooooooo sooooooooooooooooooooo soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!!! Hey hey! Look! I'm so advanced!!!  

 

 

Pa 

Te

Thic

 

Sorry for my sincerity, but I can't avoid it

[James123]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Hey stop insulting if you don't mind. Do you think that I'm talking because the "teachings" of Leo? I'm serious not like you.  all of your publications could be translated like this: hey hey! Heyyyy! Look at me ! Look at me!!!  I'm enlightened! I'm in the highest level! I'm sooooooooooooo soooooooooo sooooooooooooooooooooo soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!!! Hey hey! Look! I'm so advanced!!!  

 

 

Pa 

Te

Thic

 

Sorry for my sincerity, but I can't avoid it

Listen the Krishnamurti. 

[James123]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

Hey stop insulting if you don't mind. Do you think that I'm talking because the "teachings" of Leo? I'm serious not like you.  all of your publications could be translated like this: hey hey! Heyyyy! Look at me ! Look at me!!!  I'm enlightened! I'm in the highest level! I'm sooooooooooooo soooooooooo sooooooooooooooooooooo soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool!!!! Hey hey! Look! I'm so advanced!!!  

 

 

Pa 

Te

Thic

 

Sorry for my sincerity, but I can't avoid it

Listen the Krishnamurti. 

[VeganAwake]

5 hours ago, James123 said:

This is wrong, if there is no you, you shouldn't know how to write.

The body learned to write.

It will also turn its head if it's name is called, prefer coffee over tea, and jump out the way of a moving truck.

It's empty of a me though. Me is a thought.

❤️ 

[James123]

10 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

It will also turn its head if it's name is called, prefer coffee over tea, and jump out the way of a moving truck.

Survival. Ego does not leave, can only be under control.

What You are is empty, nothing, but as a self you are a still human being. 

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

Listen the Krishnamurti. 

I listened, Krishnamurti is a egoic false prophet. He's talking about the thoughts and saying that without thoughts there is nothing 🥱. Look, it's very easy turn off the thought and being in absolute silent, but still there is a lot of barriers. The real opening is not a thought, how to explain you that it's so easy stop the thoughts? I can do In 2 minutes, but being in silence is not enlightenment. Btw sorry for being idiot before, I just wanted so express that the real opening starts when the thought stops. Starts! Not ends. Then the real opening start little by little, and the opening is to what is. The reality is, is the absolute is ness, the total push of being without opposite, and Krishnamurti is just a clown, a narcissist absolutely far of real enlightenment who take advantage of his position to gain benefits like attention, money, ego

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, James123 said:

What You are is empty, nothing,

Then why nothing seems something, there are sensations, perceptions, and appearances? Are they nothing?