"Secret" Members of Team Rocket

[aurum]

9 minutes ago, What Am I said:

Without being able to directly know his and others' minds who are similar, it could be that they've experienced the "impossible" so many times that their faith in what we think we know (i.e., the establishment) has been shaken to its core. And perhaps they're more open than usual towards accepting very unconventional scenarios as actually having a chance of being true.

I made this case about myself in a recent post. I could never make the claim that it's for sure the correct way to think about things, but I'm being honest when I say it is a significant driver of my worldview. It's possible that guys like Aubrey are similar, whether they're conscious of its influence or not.

No I think you're spot on. I can remember thinking the exact same thing about the establishment.

Like, if they're missing the bombshell that is God, what else are they missing?

I think it's just inevitable when one is opening up to post-conventional stages of development.

But you can't just get stuck in being mindlessly anti-establishment either. That's a failure of meta-cognition to realize that anti-establishment thinking is itself a kind of belief system / ideology that the mind adopts.

[What Am I]

18 minutes ago, Joshe said:

It's not taken the wrong way at all. I don't mind being challenged or questioned. 

It might not seem like it, but I'm careful with what I consider to be true. Most of my judgements on this topic are probabilistic, but there are some things I know to be true that others might find it impossible to believe I could know. It can seem like I'm full of shit or just arrogantly assuming things if prerequisite truths are unknown by the observer. 

In the grand scheme, no one can definitively say how Trump or Kamala would impact the world.

I guess this notion was what I was trying to get at. It does sound like you acknowledge that, despite something appearing unbelievably unlikely, it's still possible for it to be true.

19 minutes ago, Joshe said:

This kind of relativism is the sneaky game being played and it's being used to undermine truth. It undermines critical thinking and blurs the lines between valid assessments and subjective opinions. This I know to be 100% true. 

This game was played by big tobacco in the 50s. Big oil plays it, hiring think tanks and scientists to do research that sows doubt on actual scientific fact. 

The same thing is occurring with the embrace of RFK. Relativism is being used to diminish truth and reason.

I can see how my question could perform exactly this function, lol. A kind of muddying of the waters to plant a seed of doubt, which may one day grow to ultimately shift your opinion.

Who knows, our minds are mysterious. It's possible an unconscious part of myself was attempting an underhanded tactic, maybe even alongside a righteous part of myself that was just genuinely curious. Either way, your point stands that such things have been done in the past to detrimental effect, and it'd be wise to remain on the lookout.

Thanks for the resources, I'll read more into post-truth relativism. It'd be beneficial to be able to dodge similar traps when they're laid out for me.

[What Am I]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

No I think you're spot on. I can remember thinking the exact same thing about the establishment.

Like, if they're missing the bombshell that is God, what else are they missing?

I think it's just inevitable when one is opening up to post-conventional stages of development.

Man, do I ever appreciate the sympathetic opinion here. Thanks so much for that. It can feel lonely when you've stumbled onto something unspeakably incredible, but then it turns out to be essentially unknown by others.

10 minutes ago, aurum said:

But you can't just get stuck in being mindlessly anti-establishment either. That's a failure of meta-cognition to realize that anti-establishment thinking is itself a kind of belief system / ideology that the mind adopts.

Yeah, no doubt it can be taken too far, and I bet you I've crossed the line more than once. It's too easy for anti-establishment thinking to become a knee-jerk impulse that occurs with no critical thinking behind it. There's some built-in landmines that have probably claimed more than a few who were otherwise sincere. Since I'm dabbling with it so much now, I can only hope I'm not way off of the correct path.

[Emerald]

@AION @Leo Gura Maybe my mind is making up memories.

But I feel like there's some situation where you have to battle someone who doesn't initially come off as a Team Rocket grunt.

Like usually they'll have Rocket in the name somewhere. But this one doesn't an later reveals themselves to be on Team Rocket.

I'm going to have to look it up to see if my brain is tricking me with some Mandela effect about this memory from the game.

[Emerald]

2 hours ago, What Am I said:

I think I mentioned this in another thread, but out of necessity, you guys might as well go full "purity testing" in your assessment of various figures' support. If they're not vocally and explicitly for the left, they're probably not really for the left. I could have told you Joe Rogan, Aubrey Marcus, etc. were leaning in the right's direction long ago; probably even before Covid. And I wouldn't be surprised if they voted for Trump in 2020, and maybe 2016.

It's just that it was subtle, and they were likely terrified of the severe backlash from admitting it. It's easy to forget, but things were different back then in terms of the public perception around who was clearly considered the bad guys.

They weren't subtle to me. You can usually taste the flavor of it on someone just by watching them for a few minutes.

It just tends to be mixed in with positive and neutral Masculine qualities. And so, those who are prone to admire positive Masculine qualities and be in more Masculine environments might be quite acclimated to that flavor and miss the aftertaste of poison in the elixir. 

[Joshe]

26 minutes ago, What Am I said:

I can see how my question could perform exactly this function, lol. A kind of muddying of the waters to plant a seed of doubt, which may one day grow to ultimately shift your opinion.

Who knows, our minds are mysterious. It's possible an unconscious part of myself was attempting an underhanded tactic, maybe even alongside a righteous part of myself that was just genuinely curious.

I don't think you're employing it, but I think you've unwittingly fell for it.

How else would one arrive at the position that RFK's ideas are just as credible/valid as top-notch scientists?

How else would one vote for a guy who did everything in his power to steal the 2020 election and who will spend the next 4 years fabricating evidence to justify it? 

The reasons and justifications you present to support your stance all seem to be explained by the notion of "post-truth".

I'm still exploring the idea, but so far, it's tracking really well. I can't believe it took me so long to come across this idea. 

I mean no disrespect here. I'm just saying what things seem like to me. 

[What Am I]

24 minutes ago, Emerald said:

They weren't subtle to me. You can usually taste the flavor of it on someone just by watching them for a few minutes.

It just tends to be mixed in with positive and neutral Masculine qualities. And so, those who are prone to admire positive Masculine qualities and be in more Masculine environments might be quite acclimated to that flavor and miss the aftertaste of poison in the elixir. 

For sure. At least in my case, I made note of the evasiveness in that type of person because I identified those same actions in myself. Like in the late 2010's when I was in the office, and everyone would be saying how vile Trump is, etc. I never once hinted that I lean right, but if my co-workers were paying close attention, they'd notice that I never indicated I leaned left either. I just sort of nodded along and kept it ambiguous. I've since come to realize that practically everyone who follows this pattern, when it's all said and done, turns out to vote rightward. With some exceptions, I'm sure.

And as you said as well, there's usually a certain masculinity mixed in with the prediliction. Taking Rogan for example, he lifts weights, hunts, smokes cigars, and just has a general way of being that can be none other than classically masculine behavior.

[Hardkill]

All of these low-life assholes have no idea what kind of hell they are going to pay....

In the end, they are going to lose everything!!!

Edited Thursday at 12:50 AM by Hardkill

[aurum]

1 hour ago, What Am I said:

Since I'm dabbling with it so much now, I can only hope I'm not way off of the correct path.

It's safe to assume you're doing a bunch of BS.

As I recall, you also talk about Ken Wilber and God but supported Trump. This is a joke.

[What Am I]

23 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I don't think you're employing it, but I think you've unwittingly fell for it.

How else would one arrive at the position that RFK's ideas are just as credible/valid as top-notch scientists?

How else would one vote for a guy who did everything in his power to steal the 2020 election and who will spend the next 4 years fabricating evidence to justify it? 

The reasons and justifications you present to support your stance all seem to be explained by the notion of "post-truth".

I'm still exploring the idea, but so far, it's tracking really well. I can't believe it took me so long to come across this idea. 

I mean no disrespect here. I'm just saying what things seem like to me. 

All good; the critique makes me take a closer look at myself.

I mean, it's possible the theory applies. I'd be lying if I said otherwise. And if we were to apply that same theory to scores of Trump supporters, I imagine it would fit pretty well as to the cause of their realignment into the right.

I do think though that there's a chance I'm a little different from your average Trump supporter, and probably just your average person on the street in general. It seems likely I'm using different weights and choosing my actions by different criteria. As much as I've already spilled about my atypical experiences and beliefs, there's a lot more to say that I'll purposefully hold back. I guess I'm pretty unusual, but I bet everyone has aspects of themselves they choose to keep close to the chest for fear of being misunderstood or whatever else. Mine just happen to guide my choices in life.

But at the same time, I'm fallible like everyone else. I very well could be falling into the traps you're describing. And since they're usually unconscious by definition, I wouldn't even know it.

[What Am I]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

It's safe to assume you're doing a bunch of BS.

As I recall, you also talk about Ken Wilber and God but supported Trump. This is a joke.

Yes, big time BS, for sure. Our first conversation months ago was about kundalini, and my somewhat extensive experience inducing it both with and without 5-MeO-DMT. While I'm more than just a believer in such things, I'm also not some weird crystal hippie chick who treats their beliefs as if they should be common knowledge. I'm in no position to expect anyone to agree with something like the literal existence of kundalini.

[What Am I]

21 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

All of these low-life assholes have no idea what kind of hell they are going to pay....

In the end, they are going to lose everything!!!

I definitely may just be a low-life asshole, but I'm at least giving you tips in this thread on how to pick out other low-life assholes.

Edited Thursday at 01:10 AM by What Am I

[Hardkill]

28 minutes ago, What Am I said:

I definitely may just be a low-life asshole, but I'm at least giving you tips in this thread on how to pick out other low-life assholes.

I don't know who are you.

What matters is how we fight against the whole scum of the earth and make sure that they pay for their crimes.

[What Am I]

6 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

I don't know who are you.

What matters is how we fight against the whole scum of the earth and make sure that they pay for their crimes.

Good luck in your endeavors. I hope you exterminate all the cockroaches under your iron heel of justice.

[Joshe]

🤣

[Scholar]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

There is algorithm capture, there is audience capture, there is social circle capture, there is career capture.

All 4 are at play.

But at the end of the day, group-think rules the mind. No matter how advanced, how God-realized, the mind buys into whatever others around it buy into. If everyone around you is doing stupid things, it's only a matter of time before you join them.

Yes, that's what you have caves for.

[Joshe]

18 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Yes, that's what you have caves for.

I disagree with Leo here. I've managed to avoid the trap. I've been popular throughout several chapters of my life, so I know what it's like to ride high on that. I don't miss it and I don't want it back. It's all fake bullshit. All selfishness from everyone involved. If you can see that, it's not alluring nor appealing. But I guess you also need wisdom and integrity to go with the awareness. 

[RendHeaven]

8 hours ago, Emerald said:

Did you NOT see them using Koffing and Ekans in their Pokemon battles the WHOLE time?

You're awesome lol

[RendHeaven]

5 hours ago, WritingHands said:

 

I only hear reborn lol

[hoodrow trillson]

Awesome analogy OP 

Team Rocket fortunately, are mostly incompetent except for their boss Giovani (Trump)— who was the last gym leader to beat (and also held the “prototype” Mewtwo in the movie)

Notice how in the game, you are *not* part of Team Rocket and ALSO your biggest rival Gary Oak (I guess he would be either Red or Blue spending on who you chose) was NOT part of Team Rocket.  He became Champion of Kanto after defeating the Elite Four himself.  No Team Rocket help to get him there, your biggest “enemy” stayed clear of that trap.  A nice surprise IMO because it does show some people who you think would be all about Trump, actually aren’t!  I’ve met a few.

So ultimately, Team Rocket is but an annoying blip in your path that you have to deal with.  Same as MAGA and Trump will be in their final act.