The Schizophrenia of the New Left

[Oeaohoo]

On the one hand: Thank God we’re finally free to express our true nature! All of our repressed desires have been liberated.

On the other hand: Human nature is evil, tribal, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, and must be overcome through a heavy program of brainwashing.

How do you square these completely contradictory ideas?

[Emerald]

17 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

On the one hand: Thank God we’re finally free to express our true nature! All of our repressed desires have been liberated.

On the other hand: Human nature is evil, tribal, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, and must be overcome through a heavy program of brainwashing.

How do you square these completely contradictory ideas?

Easy... human nature is not evil. That's a common misconception that leads people to come to the conclusion that we need some top-down authoritarian force to control us and brainwash us out of our evil nature.

This misconception is where a lot of authoritarian thinking comes from that reviles human freedom and sovereignty... and clamors for dictatorship to come in and limit and control our "fundamental human evil".

I was shown this several times in my medicine journeys where things like hatred and evil come from... and I was also shown the pure love sitting underneath even the most mangled and twisted of wills.

So, there is nothing there to reconcile.

Just help people work through the things that keep them misaligned from their truest deepest will... which is pure unconditional love and oneness at its core.

It is only a matter of our pure will becoming mangled by ignorance, trauma, unmet needs, and disconnection with personal sovereignty... which are shaped by nature and nurture factors outside of our will that leads to misalignment.

So, it's a matter of un-brainwashing people and removing the obstacles that obscure us from our light... and helping people get more in touch with personal sovereignty and the capacity for self-governance that will help us collectively transcend many of the problems of human evil. 

[Joshe]

Why brainwashing? Why wouldn't the next developmental milestone be reached the way they usually are? Which is to suffer the consequences of our ignorance until we see our error.

The so-called "woke" contagion has been surmounted by the post-truth contagion, which is a much more transmissible and toxic virus and much less detectable, allowing it to seep deep into the collective psyche. Unlike its predecessor, the post-truth contagion operates covertly, eroding shared realities by fostering confusion, mistrust, and relativism.

"By exploiting cognitive biases and the echo chambers of digital media, it creates a fragmented society where individuals become isolated in their own constructed truths. This insidious process not only undermines dialogue and critical thinking but also weaponizes skepticism, turning it into a tool for division rather than understanding. As the boundaries between fact and fiction blur, the post-truth contagion threatens the very foundations of collective decision-making, governance, and social cohesion."

Racism and bigotry should be the least of your concerns. We’ve fallen so far backward that standard fare selfishness like racism and bigotry barely scratches the surface of the chaos we’re up against now.

Edited November 27 by Joshe

[sholomar]

Thank you for saying it in a way I tried to figure out how too, op.  What you're describing is simply stage green thinking. All tier one stages want to convert each other to their stage. 

I respect Leo and this group here, so I'm genuinely interested to see how the next 4+ years play out, to see if it ends up as bad as everyone here thinks. 

 

Edited November 28 by sholomar

[Nilsi]

On 27.11.2024 at 8:03 PM, Oeaohoo said:

On the one hand: Thank God we’re finally free to express our true nature! All of our repressed desires have been liberated.

On the other hand: Human nature is evil, tribal, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, and must be overcome through a heavy program of brainwashing.

How do you square these completely contradictory ideas?

The Psychosis of the Neo Conservatives¹

On one hand: ranting endlessly about those "degenerate progressives" with their corrosive relativism - accusing them of dismantling the sacred pillars of our civilization: hard work, strength, masculinity, and dominance.

On the other hand, here they are: a legion of beta males marinating in Cheeto dust, holed up in their mothers' basements, fetishizing obscure historical footnotes, and whining on Twitter about how leftists are the reason society disrespects them and women won’t touch them.

¹ Schizophrenia would be far too generous a term for a good Deleuzean.

Edited November 28 by Nilsi

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

The Psychosis of the Neo Conservatives

On one hand: ranting endlessly about those "degenerate progressives" with their corrosive relativism - accusing them of dismantling the sacred pillars of our civilization: hard work, strength, masculinity, and dominance.

On the other hand, here they are: a legion of beta males marinating in Cheeto dust, holed up in their mothers' basements, fetishizing obscure historical footnotes, and whining on Twitter about how leftists are the reason society disrespects them and women won’t touch them.

That's why i don't like Nietzsche, all his hatred of Christianity comes from the fact that he fails to identify himself, embodies virility and therefore seeks like a woman to have it introjected from the outside, which Christianity cannot do because it supposes virile men as opposed to Islam or Judaism which supposes more submissive and feminine men in general.
But he is so unaware of his projective dynamic that he comes to say the opposite. 

[Schizophonia]

23 hours ago, Emerald said:

Easy... human nature is not evil. That's a common misconception that leads people to come to the conclusion that we need some top-down authoritarian force to control us and brainwash us out of our evil nature.

This misconception is where a lot of authoritarian thinking comes from that reviles human freedom and sovereignty... and clamors for dictatorship to come in and limit and control our "fundamental human evil".

I was shown this several times in my medicine journeys where things like hatred and evil come from... and I was also shown the pure love sitting underneath even the most mangled and twisted of wills.

So, there is nothing there to reconcile.

Just help people work through the things that keep them misaligned from their truest deepest will... which is pure unconditional love and oneness at its core.

It is only a matter of our pure will becoming mangled by ignorance, trauma, unmet needs, and disconnection with personal sovereignty... which are shaped by nature and nurture factors outside of our will that leads to misalignment.

So, it's a matter of un-brainwashing people and removing the obstacles that obscure us from our light... and helping people get more in touch with personal sovereignty and the capacity for self-governance that will help us collectively transcend many of the problems of human evil. 

We have to follow humans' nature to be happy.

That's why being millionaire hasn't made anybody happy.  

[Nilsi]

8 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

That's why i don't like Nietzsche, all his hatred of Christianity comes from the fact that he fails to identify himself, embodies virility and therefore seeks like a woman to have it introjected from the outside, which Christianity cannot do because it supposes virile men as opposed to Islam or Judaism which supposes more submissive and feminine men in general.
But he is so unaware of his projective dynamic that he comes to say the opposite. 

What an absolute load of bullshit.

It was precisely Nietzsche's radical refusal to have any meaning "introjected from the outside" that shattered him. I’d even agree, in that sense, that he could be called the last true altruist - fully aware and affirming of the fact that completing his work would cost him his sanity and, ultimately, his life.

Also, wtf is that take on Islam? It’s the most blatantly macho religion out there, bar none.

Edited November 28 by Nilsi

[Oeaohoo]

32 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

The Psychosis of the Neo Conservatives¹

On one hand: ranting endlessly about those "degenerate progressives" with their corrosive relativism - accusing them of dismantling the sacred pillars of our civilization: hard work, strength, masculinity, and dominance.

On the other hand, here they are: a legion of beta males marinating in Cheeto dust, holed up in their mothers' basements, fetishizing obscure historical footnotes, and whining on Twitter about how leftists are the reason society disrespects them and women won’t touch them.

¹ Schizophrenia would be far too generous a term for a good Deleuzean.

These condescending arguments work until they don’t. For so long as the left reigns triumphant, it is only natural that those who oppose them will exist on the margins. Once they are inevitably finished, we’ll see who is whining…

Just look at their reaction to Trump. This is only a taste of what is to come.

Edited November 28 by Oeaohoo

[Schizophonia]

27 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

What an absolute load of bullshit.

It was precisely Nietzsche's radical refusal to have any meaning "introjected from the outside" that shattered him. I’d even agree, in that sense, that he could be called the last true altruist—fully aware and affirming of the fact that completing his work would cost him his sanity and, ultimately, his life.

Well you didn't read Nietzsche. 

I read Antichrist and eche homo a few weeks ago and he spends his time criticizing Christianity because he is not asked to have a protocol on how to wipe his ass by a pastor. Christianity is a religion of forgiveness, moderation, autonomy, and overcoming the ego in general. Christianity is not at all anti-vitalism, on the contrary, and even today the richest countries in the world are Christian and notably Protestant. 

Like Reich, Deleuze and company he tells the same lie, unvalidated, tacit knowledge that sexual energy works like a feedback loop to be able to justify debauchery or even simply imaturity, well no the energy works like a regulatory axis and debauchery only diminishes, de-intensifies this energy.
He even defends the sectarian structure of Judaism because he finds there the anchor that he does not have, and well no a virile man does not like to have life explained to him by a rabbi. A manly man is power to his children and wife.

If you want more proof you only have to look at his personal life.

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Also, wtf is that take on Islam? It’s the most blatantly macho religion out there, bar none.

You have to be very feminine (or hypocritical) to subscribe to bullshit like praying bent like a dog 5 times a day, not eating pork "because the prophet said" and all their practices to obtain "Hassanates". Hatred, warmongering, authoritarian behavior, superstition are behaviors that are found in estrogenic or psychotic women or even men.

A gay friend told me that there were a lot of bottom Arabs on gay dating apps and it's pretty likely that it comes from this stupid collective unconscious. 

Edited November 28 by Schizophonia

[Oeaohoo]

On 27/11/2024 at 7:29 PM, Emerald said:

Easy... human nature is not evil.

That might be your view. However, it is not the view generally expressed by the left today. Here is an example from Leo’s blog:

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if you take a human being who is not educated, not developed in any way, they will be conservative. Why is this? Because they will just act out unconscious survival instincts, like an animal. And our unconscious instincts are base and gross: racism, sexism, corruption, greed, selfishness, violence, hatred, fear, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, tribalism, religious fanaticism, dogma, ideology, extreme conformity, group-think, fascism, authoritarianism, theft, bribery, genocide, nepotism — all of this is the status quo. All of this is the default condition without intense education, cultivation, training, discipline, maturity, wisdom, and development. 

My question is: how can anybody pretend that absolute drivel like this is compatible with the program to liberate all of our repressed desires?

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

That might be your view. However, it is not the view generally expressed by the left today. Here is an example from Leo’s blog:

My question is: how can anybody pretend that absolute drivel like this is compatible with the program to liberate all of our repressed desires?

Non duality.

Edited November 28 by Schizophonia

[Nilsi]

8 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

These condescending arguments work until they don’t. For so long as the left reigns triumphant, it is only natural that those who oppose them will exist on the margins. Once they are inevitably finished, we’ll see who is whining…

Just look at their reaction to Trump. This is only a taste of what is to come.

As you just pointed out, Trump won the popular vote. So in what universe do "those opposing the left exist on the margins"?

You're completely conflating liberalism with leftism. Trump is the epitome of a perverse liberalism - the kind you’re referring to - because he embodies a total liberation from the Oedipal order of the Other.

What we’re witnessing is a full-blown hysterical outrage against the shamelessness of liberal perversion. And this outrage is coming from the so-called "moral minority" - which, ironically, you claim to align with.

So, which is it? Standing by a crumbling order, or losing your mind over its unraveling?

[Nilsi]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Well you didn't read Nietzsche. 

I read Antichrist and eche homo a few weeks ago

pahahaha

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Like Reich, Deleuze and company he tells the same lie, unvalidated, tacit knowledge that sexual energy works like a feedback loop to be able to justify debauchery or even simply imaturity, well no the energy works like a regulatory axis and debauchery only diminishes, de-intensifies this energy.
He even defends the sectarian structure of Judaism because he finds there the anchor that he does not have, and well no a virile man does not like to have life explained to him by a rabbi. A manly man is power to his children and wife.

You're completely talking out of your ass right now. Let me break it down for you: these are thinkers I've spent years studying, while, by your own admission, you "read some stuff a few weeks ago."

Reich is almost the absolute antithesis of Nietzsche and Deleuze. Reich claims that sexual energy - what he dubs "orgone," which for him is literally the essence of the universe - naturally seeks homeostasis (a negative feedback loop). Compare that with Nietzsche, who, by Reich's own framework, would qualify as an "authoritarian personality" precisely because he refused to discharge energy. Nietzsche even explicitly refers to sublimation in his writings, which is nothing short of a positive feedback loop, intensifying energy rather than releasing it - a process Reich associates with cancerous phenomena.

So, in reality, Reich is a relatively conservative advocate for decency and balance, whereas Nietzsche and Deleuze are all about the Übermensch and the intensification of difference - a rejection of stasis and equilibrium in favor of escalating creative, transformative, and chaotic forces.

You're trying to square two completely opposed philosophies, and it doesn't hold up.

[Nilsi]

18 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

You have to be very feminine (or hypocritical) to subscribe to bullshit like praying bent like a dog 5 times a day, not eating pork "because the prophet said" and all their practices to obtain "Hassanates". Hatred, warmongering, authoritarian behavior, superstition are behaviors that are found in estrogenic or psychotic women or even men.

A gay friend told me that there were a lot of bottom Arabs on gay dating apps and it's pretty likely that it comes from this stupid collective unconscious. 

Say that to a devout Muslim face to face, and you'll never live to write another incoherent and utterly disrespectful take about how "feminine" you think he is.

[Oeaohoo]

8 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

What we’re witnessing is a full-blown hysterical outrage against the shamelessness of liberal perversion. And this outrage is coming from the so-called "moral minority" - which, ironically, you claim to align with.

It is a bit more complicated in that Trump represents an inversion of liberal perversion. It is the New Left playbook turned against itself: frame yourself as defending fun and freedom from your stuffy and boring opposition. This is a very easy game to play, since the left have become so anal, rigid, self-righteous and boring.

13 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

So, which is it? Standing by a crumbling order, or losing your mind over its unraveling?

For me, it is just doing whatever I can to stay sane. I find life today almost unbearable…

[Nilsi]

1 minute ago, Oeaohoo said:

For me, it is just doing whatever I can to stay sane. I find life today almost unbearable…

That’s a shame because, beyond your strange traditionalist fetish, you’re actually a very respectable person.

I genuinely hope that, someday, you might find it in yourself to see some redeeming qualities in this world.

[Oeaohoo]

5 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

That’s a shame because, beyond your strange traditionalist fetish, you’re actually a very respectable person.

I genuinely hope that, someday, you might find it in yourself to see some redeeming qualities in this world.

Thanks! 

A beautiful song from the whiny loser with a castration complex:

 

Edited November 28 by Oeaohoo

[Nilsi]

8 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

Thanks! 

A beautiful song from the whiny loser with a castration complex:

 

A beautiful song indeed.  

[zurew]

52 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

However, it is not the view generally expressed by the left today. Here is an example from Leo’s blog:

I wouldn't use Leo as a representative for the Left. He has positions all over the place depending on what we are talking about and he sometimes takes unqiue positions on things.

But I dont think he  (or anyone) takes the position that its good to express all desires and instincts without constraints.  

49 minutes ago, Oeaohoo said:

For me, it is just doing whatever I can to stay sane.

Since you are a very well-read guy, im sure you know that you can cash out a given foundational value or position in many ways and there are many ways to "solve" contradictions and objections.

Just as how Christian philosophers can make a 100 intellectual judo moves to maintain their internally consistent positions, the same way some of the leftist positions can be cashed out in reasonable ways (if we try to give it some effort).

For example, we can go through the trans stuff if you want to.