Logic Is Part And Parcel To Enlightenment

[Nahm]

On 5/3/2017 at 10:49 AM, Russell Parr said:

Logic is the linguistic representation of cause and effect, which is an absolute principle of reality. The enlightened mind is fully logical and unencumbered by egotism, which causes the logical processes of the mind to stutter due to a clinging to ideas, concepts, people, and things.

Be careful not to decry logic. It is an essential ingredient to enlightenment.

I love your post, and I'm just asking out of curiousity given your stance on thinking / logic and enlightenment....has your practice of meditation expanded to nonthinking?

Thanks

 

[Russell Parr]

21 hours ago, Pinocchio NTO-Dingu said:

The carrot of enlightenment is a hoax designed to either keep you busy or content (if you fail), or destroy you (if you succeed). Either way you'll have been duped. Those who are "inspiring" others to follow them are not just dupes, but duping their followers as well.

You will be an empty husk in the end, if enlightenment is actually in the cards for you. Happy, harmless, soulless. Going through the motions under the universe's control, and zero fucks given either way.

One is not left soulless, nor harmless, and fucks are very much given after enlightenment. 

21 hours ago, Pinocchio NTO-Dingu said:

Anyone claiming that enlightenment is desirable for anyone who isn't fed up with the inescapable parameters of life, is talking out of their ass.

This is all too true, unfortunately. One must suffer for their delusions in order to desire enlightenment.

21 hours ago, Pinocchio NTO-Dingu said:

Especially if they believe it to be about unity and love.

Couldn't agree more.

21 hours ago, Pinocchio NTO-Dingu said:

Some here on this forum may be awake to some degree. Some more so than others. But nobody here is enlightened, and there are no degrees of enlightenment. And probably nobody here really knows what it really is. Those who "know" they are enlightened are the most full of shit of all.

If you don't know what enlightenment is, you can't adequately judge others declarations about it.

[Russell Parr]

18 hours ago, Nahm said:

I love your post, and I'm just asking out of curiousity given your stance on thinking / logic and enlightenment....has your practice of meditation expanded to nonthinking?

Thanks

 

Hello Nahm,

I do not meditate much. I do like to sit quietly outside sometimes, and enjoy nature. To me, this is enough. Meditation is a means to quiet the ego, in order to clear way for rational thought. I save nonthinking for sleep.

[Nahm]

@Russell Parr I do respect your position on meditation.   Initially, it does seem that logic and thought are products of the brain.  

[Prabhaker]

7 hours ago, Russell Parr said:

Meditation is a means to quiet the ego, in order to clear way for rational thought.

What's the need of meditation when logic , understanding is enough to 'clear way for rational thought' and 'quiet your ego' ?

7 hours ago, Russell Parr said:

I do not meditate much.

Do you mean you meditate for few minutes ?

Edited May 18, 2017 by Prabhaker

[Prabhaker]

7 hours ago, Russell Parr said:

If you don't know what enlightenment is, you can't adequately judge others declarations about it.

How can we  know what enlightenment is ?

[Russell Parr]

13 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

What's the need of meditation when logic is enough to 'clear way for rational thought' and 'quiet your ego' ?

I've never said that. Logic and meditation serve different purposes. Logic doesn't silent the ego, it ensures congruent thought.

13 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

Do you mean you meditate for few minutes ?

No, I mean I basically never meditate, at least not in any traditional sense. The extent of my meditation is chillin out on the back porch and taking walks through nature.

13 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

How can we  know what enlightenment is ?

How could we not? I don't believe enlightenment to be out of reach for everyone but Buddha. I do think that most people, even devout buddhists, don't have a clue what enlightenment really is, however.

[Prabhaker]

9 hours ago, Russell Parr said:

How could we not?

How can we know ? Do you think that enlightenment can be communicated through words ? 

Edited May 19, 2017 by Prabhaker

[Russell Parr]

13 hours ago, Prabhaker said:

How can we know ? Do you think that enlightenment can be communicated through words ? 

Absolutely. But only those who have ears will hear it.

[Dodo]

Lol seriously how do you communicate silence