Leo, I have a question about your 'How Society Evolves' video

[Hardkill]

So, I've been contemplating about that YouTube vid you did years ago called 'How Society Evolves.'

From what I understood, you said that a society evolves by developing various key factors, including infrastructure, economy, population density, education, technology, etc. Once these factors are sufficiently developed, then that society can become more free, just, and tolerant of diversity. At that point, it can also better accommodate people from different backgrounds, races, ethnicities, genders, religions, and more.

However, what you didn't mention in that video, but have said before on this forum is that real progress in government often requires a catalyst, and unfortunately, that catalyst is usually a major crisis or disaster that occurs under the watch of a conservative-led administration. This is because most voters tend to be reactive and less intelligent, only demanding change when they're directly impacted by a problem. Until then, they generally don't think critically about the long-term consequences of their decisions.

Furthermore, I've noticed that a lot of times when America is actually in a time of peace, prosperity, and stability the country goes back to electing conservatives into power such as the election of Bush in the year 2000, the election of Trump in 2016, and in some ways with Trump and MAGA regaining power after this 2024 election.

So, just to make sure I understand this. Is it not enough for a society to develop a strong foundation in areas such as its infrastructure, economy, and level of education? Does significant social progress, particularly in the way of liberalism, also require the catalyst of a crisis or disaster, to occur and be exacerbated by conservative policies or leadership? Does it also movement require a movement that shows how much those who have been victims of some kind of injustice have been suffering?  

 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

Nothing is so simple.

Society is always gradually creeping forward, but there are setbacks and there is rot and stagnation. And there are avalanches thar spur on major reform.

And you should also factor in the media ecosystem. Media trends and ideologies dejour play a huge role in shaping how people vote.

With all these cross-currents are play it's impossible to predict elections consistently.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

42 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing is so simple.

Society is always gradually creeping forward, but there are setbacks and there is rot and stagnation. And there are avalanches thar spur on major reform.

And you should also factor in the media ecosystem. Media trends and ideologies dejour play a huge role in shaping how people vote.

With all these cross-currents are play it's impossible to predict elections consistently.

I see what you're saying.

All of these factors ultimately determine how and when there will be setbacks, stagnation, or progress.

So, it is that sometimes progress happens from a society developing various key factors, including its infrastructure, economy, population density, education, technology, etc. and other times progress can come from disasters or crises under the watch of conservative rule? Or sometimes due to current media trends and ideologies? Or due to any combination of the above factors?

Could a right-wing media ecosystem that perpetually dominates the entire media landscape cause all progress to stop forever by influencing the masses to no longer vote for liberalism/progressivism ever again? Or is that truly impossible?

[Davino]

@Hardkill Collective suffering is a great catalyst for change. WW1 & WW2 lead to most peaceful era in human history. So as you intuit disasters force to evolution as the current status quo is seen as limited. To change out of vision and wisdom is rare, although it can happen as child toys are exchanged for books. This second factor for change is very well explained with the following animal:

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Have you heard about the hermit crab? This small crustacean is known for living inside empty shells it finds in its environment. When it grows and its current shell becomes too small, it must search for a new, larger one to continue growing and protecting itself.

Just as the crab cannot remain in the same shell without limiting its development, society cannot stay in the same circumstances, ideas, or comfort zones if it wants to evolve. Change can be uncomfortable and risky (like when the crab is temporarily exposed while leaving its old shell), but it is essential to reach new stages of growth.

 

10 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Could a right-wing media ecosystem that perpetually dominates the entire media landscape cause all progress to stop forever by influencing the masses to no longer vote for liberalism/progressivism ever again? Or is that truly impossible?

Your fear is afecting your sense making. Such position is the same as the following:

Could a left-wing media ecosystem that perpetually dominates the entire media landscape cause all conservatives to stop forever by influencing the masses to no longer vote for right politics or to sustain traditions ever again? 

This has never happened, you cannot find even one historical example, growth and integration need each other. You need to evolve as much as to let the dust settle, any system is bounded to both pulls. Btw, have you watched Leo's video of understanding the conservative mind?