We are suffering our Mind

[Javfly33]

There is Nothing else really, our inability to handle our Mind is what produces suffering.

By believing and perceiving our mind by the Truth, we create universe and the illusion altogether

When you forget Yourself and become the mind you create ego, Enlightment is forgetting the mind and being Yourself 😆

[Sugarcoat]

I believe self is hallucination by the brain. 

Edited Tuesday at 07:23 PM by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

Our mind develops according to genetic patterns. At a certain age there is an impulse to play to lay the foundations of socialization and develop skills. Later, in the frontal lobe, the self, the self-concept, the need for acceptance, are formed, all that makes the individual a cog in the matrix. human, etc. 

In short, if your family rejects you, or you are locked in a cage alone for years, or you are subjected to constant rape, you will suffer. It's in the genes.

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall why you are always imagining the most hellish worst case scenarios? Why talk about sick and extreme levels of suffering in this world ? I'm not denying that this world is a jungle where survival is for the most powerful..nature is a sadistic dog and if it has a god who is separate from it ..then it's appropriate to call him a fa***** .

BUT...life is also full of beauty.  Do you have friends?..a girlfriend..?do you appreciate your food ?..your comfort? Your health ..? What are you doing on this forum 24/7?

[Sugarcoat]

It’s almost as if people in spiritual community forget that physical pain exists when they talk about suffering

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

It’s almost as if people in spiritual community forget that physical pain exists when they talk about suffering

Physical pain exists .no question about it. Suffering is the story of "why me ?" .."poor little me ".."why is life such a bitch ".."why my life sucks " .etc

I always say ..pain is inevitable..but suffering is optional . You can actually train yourself to not feel suffering when you feel pain . It's just a sensation .it doesn't mean anything really . Poke your skin with a needle and feel the pain but notice that it doesn't really mean you should construct a story aka suffering around this meaningless sensation. 

Suffering exists only in the mind .pain in the body .you can't get rid of your body (except via suicide).. but you can get rid of your mind by questioning it to death . 

As long as you are not totally destroyed as a mind ..there is no hope for you to escape suffering. 

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Physical pain exists .no question about it. Suffering is the story of "why me ?" .."poor little me ".."why is life such a bitch ".."why my life sucks " .etc

I always say ..pain is inevitable..but suffering is optional . You can actually train yourself to not feel suffering when you feel pain . It's just a sensation .it doesn't mean anything really . Poke your skin with a needle and feel the pain but notice that it doesn't really mean you should construct a story aka suffering around this meaningless sensation. 

Suffering exists only in the mind .pain in the body .you can't get rid of your body (except via suicide).. but you can get rid of your mind by questioning it to death . 

As long as you are not totally destroyed as a mind ..there is no hope for you to escape suffering. 

How exactly would I not feel suffering when feeling pain. Asking for a “friend” . Pain is suffering in itself. Maybe with some extreme level mindfulness it can be experienced as not suffering I don’t know 

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

How exactly would I not feel suffering when feeling pain

Don't judge the sensation. Become a brick wall .does a brick wall suffer when you smash it with a hammer? Does your IPhone say "ouch " if you poke it with a needle ? Of course not . Why ? Because they have no mind .they have no sense of self . But you do .and that's why you suffer. Because you conclude that pain or hurt equals suffering. That's what the mind does .if you get rid of your mind completely and totally..it's guaranteed that you  shall never suffer.  Even If the sky is falling apart or if your body is being dipped in Lava fire ..if you have no mind ..this experience can't make you suffer.

Now you should notice that this degree of detachment and indifference doesn't come easily .it has to be developed. Start with poking your skin with a needle without being bothered by it .and see how it goes .

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

Don't judge the sensation. Become a brick wall .does a brick wall suffer when you smash it with a hammer? Does your IPhone say "ouch " if you poke it with a needle ? Of course not . Why ? Because they have no mind .they have no sense of self . But you do .and that's why you suffer. Because you conclude that pain or hurt equals suffering. That's what the mind does .if you get rid of your mind completely and totally..it's guaranteed that you  shall never suffer.  Even If the sky is falling apart or if your body is being dipped in Lava fire ..if you have no mind ..this experience can't make you suffer.

Now you should notice that this degree of detachment and indifference doesn't come easily .it has to be developed. Start with poking your skin with a needle without being bothered by it .and see how it goes .

Animals don’t have minds right, but they can still suffer pain because they have a sense of self or am I wrong. So it’s not about the mind, but it’s about the sense of self am I right

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Animals don’t have minds right,

Ofc they are.

An alien could say the same thing about humans.

Edited Tuesday at 08:25 PM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

20 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Physical pain exists .no question about it. Suffering is the story of "why me ?" .."poor little me ".."why is life such a bitch ".."why my life sucks " .etc

I always say ..pain is inevitable..but suffering is optional . You can actually train yourself to not feel suffering when you feel pain . It's just a sensation .it doesn't mean anything really . Poke your skin with a needle and feel the pain but notice that it doesn't really mean you should construct a story aka suffering around this meaningless sensation. 

Suffering exists only in the mind .pain in the body .you can't get rid of your body (except via suicide).. but you can get rid of your mind by questioning it to death . 

As long as you are not totally destroyed as a mind ..there is no hope for you to escape suffering. 

Samadhi is a kind of super masculinity.

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Animals don’t have minds right, but they can still suffer pain because they have a sense of self or am I wrong. So it’s not about the mind, but it’s about the sense of self am I right

Animals are like newborns and toddlers . They are conscious..but they are NOT "self-conscious ".meaning they know they exist ...but they don't have meta knowledge of their knowledge of existence.  In other words they don't know what they are .you don't see a dog walking around saluting you "hey! I'm a dog and my name is Bobby and I work at Walmart and my life sucks because I haven't eaten In 3 days bla bla bla ". Right? 

 

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Someone here said:

Animals are like newborns and toddlers . They are conscious..but they are NOT "self-conscious ".meaning they know they exist ...but they don't have meta knowledge of their knowledge of existence.  In other words they don't know what they are .you don't see a dog walking around saluting you "hey! I'm a dog and my name is Bobby and I work at Walmart and my life sucks because I haven't eaten In 3 days bla bla bla ". Right? 

 

I’ve thought about this. In regards to toddlers for example, we don’t have any memory of being toddlers, does that mean we weren’t conscious back then, meaning we couldn’t suffer? So hypothetically if you were to torture a toddler it wouldn’t suffer until it gets to the age where self consciousness starts. 

[PurpleTree]

Uhm yes isn’t that like the basic premise of spirituality and non duality, buddhism etc?

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I’ve thought about this. In regards to toddlers for example, we don’t have any memory of being toddlers, does that mean we weren’t conscious back then, meaning we couldn’t suffer? So hypothetically if you were to torture a toddler it wouldn’t suffer until it gets to the age where self consciousness starts. 

Yes you've got it .👍

 

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Samadhi is a kind of super masculinity.

It sure is . Sorry for chit-chatting with your online imaginary gf 😂 lol jk

[Sugarcoat]

Just now, Someone here said:

Yes you've got it .👍

Ok

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Yes you've got it .👍

 

It sure is . Sorry for chit-chatting with your online imaginary gf 😂 lol jk

I didn’t understand.

Edited Tuesday at 08:41 PM by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I didn’t understand.

Don’t think all your references to me go unnoticed 😂

[Breakingthewall]

54 minutes ago, Someone here said:

What are you doing on this forum 24/7?

A lot of things, right not waiting 8h in an airport . You can write here from the subway, walking in the street, even in a dinner with friends when the conversation is bored. The magic of the phones, do you know?

55 minutes ago, Someone here said:

why you are always imagining the most hellish worst case scenarios? Why talk about sick and extreme levels of suffering in this world ?

Not so extreme, suffering exist, if we want to put ourselves mentally in the case of real suffering, it's better imagine that you are waiting for a professional torturer in the middle age than you have lost your wallet. 

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I didn’t understand.

Nevermind I was joking .