Hey Leo, I am curious

[Michael569]

Are you still predominantly focused on the carnivore diet, @Leo Gura? 

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics are not going to heal a disorder. 

Joe Dispenza said the same.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

Are you still predominantly focused on the carnivore diet, @Leo Gura? 

I saw him talking about glucose powder somewhere.

[OBEler]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics are not going to heal a disorder. That is an absurd thing to expect.

I know you had high expectations too but failed in the end so I can understand your position but I disagree.Some Psychosomatic symptoms can go away through the use of psychedelics. I personally witnessed on multiple people that It has the potential to cure migraine. And that's not a small a disorder. Also I heard and witnessed myself multiple times it can cure some kind of depression.

Edited November 27, 2024 by OBEler

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

I know you had high expectations too but failed in the end so I can understand your position but I disagree.Some Psychosomatic symptoms can go away through the use of psychedelics. I personally witnessed on multiple people that It has the potential to cure migraine. And that's not a small a disorder. Also I heard and witnessed myself multiple times it can cure some kind of depression.

5ht1a agonists can help migraine from what i remember.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

I know you had high expectations too but failed in the end so I can understand your position but I disagree.Some Psychosomatic symptoms can go away through the use of psychedelics. I personally witnessed on multiple people that It has the potential to cure migraine. And that's not a small a disorder. Also I heard and witnessed myself multiple times it can cure some kind of depression.

A real disorder is not psychosomatic.

[WritingHands]

I still despise how vague all of the terminologies are even though we have distinct names for things.

It's like trying to fit a square in circle, always confuse thing one for another. Thats the limit of communication for sense based things.

 

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura you know that depression is not only psychosomatic. Still lots of reports that psychedelic trips can heal depressions instantly. It has the power. But that doesn't count for every depression and some are not curable with psychedelics, no guarantee.

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura you know that depression is not only psychosomatic. Still lots of reports that psychedelic trips can heal depressions instantly. It has the power. But that doesn't count for every depression and some are not curable with psychedelics, no guarantee.

1) Depression is such a psychological thing, so no surprise. Depression is not comparable to a health disorder.

2) I don't buy these claims that psychedelics cure depression. I think these reports are from people who are self-deceived. They will fall back into their depression.

You should assume that most reports of any kind of healing are self-deception.

Edited November 27, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura They for sure played a role in my current well being. I think think of specific trips. A clear before and after. That, and combined with a lot of work in other areas.

 

[Schizophonia]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

1) Depression is such a psychological thing, so no surprise. Depression is not comparable to a health disorder.

No it’s a neurological disorder, you can pass your whole life in learned helplessness without becoming depressed and vice versa.

Depressed people can barely go out of their bed.

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2) I don't buy these claims that psychedelics cure depression.

 

It can help depression because of increased 5HT and indirectly glutamate/dopamine neurotransmission. Eventually ephedrine, norephedrine, acetylcholine, histamine, sigma…

Prolonged variations of the (neuro)endocrine balance can also act as a strong epigenetic signal and depression is epigenetic.

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I think these reports are from people who are self-deceived. They will fall back into their depression.

Again, you have based a big part of your whole persona on « I'm the pain in the ass on duty who explains who is mature and who is not. » so now you have to live is an such reality to save your identity.

This is happening because your non-dual realizations were essentially built on drugs, so you have not done the work to truly evolve your ego, your beliefs, and ultimately your energetic structure.

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You should assume that most reports of any kind of healing are self-deception.

Same so now contact Joe Dispenza 

[Schizophonia]

49 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura you know that depression is not only psychosomatic. Still lots of reports that psychedelic trips can heal depressions instantly. It has the power. But that doesn't count for every depression and some are not curable with psychedelics, no guarantee.

It’s not psychosomatic at all. + @Leo Gura is my mirror who love too much playing the « teacher » and so can’t stand being wrong  ; So most of the time he will put his intention in a subject, consult his ego about what to think some minutes, and decree the reality.

Ps : Mirror effect is direct, by talking about Leo i act like him when i say « It’s not psychosomatic at all », i actually have 0 base to say that lol  

[RendHeaven]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It’s not psychosomatic at all. + @Leo Gura is my mirror who love too much playing the « teacher » and so can’t stand being wrong  ; So most of the time he will put his intention in a subject, consult his ego about what to think some minutes, and decree the reality.

That's not a very charitable take - he has healthy caution unlike so many naive optimists.

I wouldn't mistake that for a character flaw.

[OBEler]

4 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

That's not a very charitable take - he has healthy caution unlike so many naive optimists.

I wouldn't mistake that for a character flaw.

It's not healthy caution to dismiss psychedelics for curation completely where there is too much evidence alone in this forum how it can cure certain disorders. He can call these people all biased. But with placebo and self bias alone migraine won't go away. 

Leo is an expert on psychedelics, he knows the power. He knows it changes your brain chemistry so it has a biological effect. Since Leo cannot use psychedelics anymore his opinion about psychedelics changed to a more negative way in some distorted way I feel.  @Leo Gura

Edit: I think I understand now what Leo referring to disorders, not psychological disorders but more like pure biological one like having cancer. I then absolutely agree with Leo about this.

Edited November 28, 2024 by OBEler

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

That's not a very charitable take - he has healthy caution unlike so many naive optimists.

I wouldn't mistake that for a character flaw.

Leo and maybe you, idk, has been raised as a treasure so in a relatively laxist way, probably by parents who had a problem with responsibilities and projected that on him ; The negative consequence (polarity) of this configuration is that he as been conditioned to believe he has to be a treasure to be loved. 

So he identified himself with a persona in such a way that anything that resembles lightness, lack of control, ease etc will be denied and projected. This projection is now the subject which conditions the energetic exchange with the signifier (the object on which the libido is projected): there are therefore immature people, in self-deception or whatever and we will have to avoid them or treat them (archetype of the professor, the guru).

Nevertheless these is what it is : he now suffer from his own constructed world because to curing his health problems he should go to a Joe Dispenza seminar, but for that he should accept that the world is a more chill place than he thought and he doesn't want to accept that because it would sweep away a large part of the whole personality that he has built for himself. It's like women, if I tell you that i know someone who can manifest women endlessly you risk refusing and getting angry, becoming disdainful or whatever to defend your ego because you have built the latter on the game of "I am this pick up artist who made so much effort to have women".

It's like playing a video game for months and having to give up.

Leo Gura is just a guy with an average IQ who dropped out of high school, he is a graphic designer and runs a YouTube channel where he blabbers for hours on random topics. He has a problem, karma, with women and admitted to taking the first not very intelligent hippie who liked his videos.

I'm not saying this because I think Leo Gura is an idiot and/or that I consider myself or others superior to him, I like Leo, I'm saying this to give an example of what I could consider to be the "self decepted" part of him that he projects and which, I believe, puts him in physical danger.

[Schizophonia]

 

[Schizophonia]

@Leo Gura

Please watch the video.

There is a ton of similar one on his channel.

[sholomar]

Urine therapy, P&B Shakes, drinking sodium chlorite (MMS), drinking hydrogen peroxide, coffee enemas, liver flushes, colonics, making kefir using actual grains, alkaline diet.... I'm trying to think of every alternative medicine practice I stumbled across on curezone over the years.  Didn't do all these but am aware of them. All my health problems were caused by my emotional/mental state and thoughts/programming from childhood. None of this stuff was going to work, and typically doesn't work for people into natural medicine.

About the only things that do actually heal or have some effect are water and dry fasting, whether intermittent or extended.  That and radical acceptance of what is... oh and friendship and laughter.... anything that activates the ventral vagal response, I mean real playfulness with others including touch.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2024 by sholomar

[RendHeaven]

17 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Leo and maybe you, idk, has been raised as a treasure so in a relatively laxist way, probably by parents who had a problem with responsibilities and projected that on him ; The negative consequence (polarity) of this configuration is that he as been conditioned to believe he has to be a treasure to be loved. 

So he identified himself with a persona in such a way that anything that resembles lightness, lack of control, ease etc will be denied and projected. This projection is now the subject which conditions the energetic exchange with the signifier (the object on which the libido is projected): there are therefore immature people, in self-deception or whatever and we will have to avoid them or treat them (archetype of the professor, the guru).

Nevertheless these is what it is : he now suffer from his own constructed world because to curing his health problems he should go to a Joe Dispenza seminar, but for that he should accept that the world is a more chill place than he thought and he doesn't want to accept that because it would sweep away a large part of the whole personality that he has built for himself. It's like women, if I tell you that i know someone who can manifest women endlessly you risk refusing and getting angry, becoming disdainful or whatever to defend your ego because you have built the latter on the game of "I am this pick up artist who made so much effort to have women".

It's like playing a video game for months and having to give up.

Leo Gura is just a guy with an average IQ who dropped out of high school, he is a graphic designer and runs a YouTube channel where he blabbers for hours on random topics. He has a problem, karma, with women and admitted to taking the first not very intelligent hippie who liked his videos.

I'm not saying this because I think Leo Gura is an idiot and/or that I consider myself or others superior to him, I like Leo, I'm saying this to give an example of what I could consider to be the "self decepted" part of him that he projects and which, I believe, puts him in physical danger.

You're making a lot of assumptions that you cannot know for sure.

But you trust your intuition because of basic pattern recognition - you've observed uptight people before and they hold their energy in similar ways influenced by similar past experiences. This allows you to make inferences about new people you don't know.

I hope you can see how Leo is actually operating on the same principle as you. He too is trusting his intuition born of basic pattern recognition - he has observed time and time again how people with so-called lightness, ease, and effortlessness end up tricking themselves with fantasies and lack of results.

To run with your example, If you show me "endless manifestation" of women to my face, I have no problems with that. I would be impressed and ready to learn.

The problem is if you talk about "endless manifestation" of women with nothing to show for it. And let's say I encounter 10 such liars back to back. What's the chances that the 11th dude will be honest?

Not agreeing with Leo necessarily, I think you're both speaking the truth in this case. I just think you can give more credit to his view.

It could be a trauma-based energy block, OR he could simply be tired of liars, as you would be too, if you had his level of exposure.

[Schizophonia]

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

You're making a lot of assumptions that you cannot know for sure.

I know for sure because it’s logical.

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

But you trust your intuition because of basic pattern recognition - you've observed uptight people before and they hold their energy in similar ways influenced by similar past experiences. This allows you to make inferences about new people you don't know.

Yes.

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

I hope you can see how Leo is actually operating on the same principle as you.

Yes ofc, Leo is my mirror, and as i already said somewhere mirror effect is immediate so when i say « Leo is disdainful » i become disdainful ahah.

 « He is so dumb ! » -> I have the energy of a dumb person.

 « He show off ! » -> I have the energy of a narcissist person. 

Etcetc.

 

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

He too is trusting his intuition born of basic pattern recognition - he has observed time and time again how people with so-called lightness, ease, and effortlessness end up tricking themselves with fantasies and lack of results.

Leo is absolutely right except that he does not look at "the" reality, but at "his" reality which is the projection of his ego, and therefore of his persona that he has generated here and there.

Me in my world I almost never see scammer/scammed people, it’s not a subject ; And when i interest in alternative healing i quickly fall on Joe Dispenza’s work and and all these testimonies.

It’s Leo gura who reminds me this subject of scammer, self delusion and so on. 
And when i look closer, i figure out that as if by « chance », he went to see a whole bunch of random people including a marabout but now don’t want to see Joe’s work.

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

To run with your example, If you show me "endless manifestation" of women to my face, I have no problems with that. I would be impressed and ready to learn.

I can give you the telegram of someone, who pretend having the ability to manifest a woman almost instantly lol.

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

The problem is if you talk about "endless manifestation" of women with nothing to show for it. And let's say I encounter 10 such liars back to back. What's the chances that the 11th dude will be honest?

Because of your persona.

 

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

Not agreeing with Leo necessarily, I think you're both speaking the truth in this case. I just think you can give more credit to his view.

I am Leo so it’s already my truth  I talk to myself.

I love playing the character of the stoic master who had to suffer for x or y reason which made me mature and strong and blah blah blah, it makes me trip. From a psychoanalytic point of view it is a character who allows to reduce the anxiety (of castration) but as i am in denial and well I project it currently on Leo.

Leo also has a strong castration anxiety except that this time it is not the anxiety that is denied and projected but the incestuous temptation. So he goes to see people who are "immature", "depraved", "crazy", "unconscious" etcetc.

6 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

It could be a trauma-based energy block, OR he could simply be tired of liars, as you would be too, if you had his level of exposure.

Ofc, it’s in different layers, the first (generally a trauma in childrenhood of common biographical intrigue like oeudipus complex) change the believe system and therefor personas, what attracts others traumas later because which come to strengthen the system.

I think i took that from Arthur Janov.