Hey Leo, I am curious

[AION]

All is mind so personally I think everything can be fixed, if your mind is strong enough.

[Michael569]

Are you still predominantly focused on the carnivore diet, @Leo Gura? 

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics are not going to heal a disorder. 

Joe Dispenza said the same.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, Michael569 said:

Are you still predominantly focused on the carnivore diet, @Leo Gura? 

I saw him talking about glucose powder somewhere.

[OBEler]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Psychedelics are not going to heal a disorder. That is an absurd thing to expect.

I know you had high expectations too but failed in the end so I can understand your position but I disagree.Some Psychosomatic symptoms can go away through the use of psychedelics. I personally witnessed on multiple people that It has the potential to cure migraine. And that's not a small a disorder. Also I heard and witnessed myself multiple times it can cure some kind of depression.

Edited 15 hours ago by OBEler

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

I know you had high expectations too but failed in the end so I can understand your position but I disagree.Some Psychosomatic symptoms can go away through the use of psychedelics. I personally witnessed on multiple people that It has the potential to cure migraine. And that's not a small a disorder. Also I heard and witnessed myself multiple times it can cure some kind of depression.

5ht1a agonists can help migraine from what i remember.

Edited 14 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, OBEler said:

I know you had high expectations too but failed in the end so I can understand your position but I disagree.Some Psychosomatic symptoms can go away through the use of psychedelics. I personally witnessed on multiple people that It has the potential to cure migraine. And that's not a small a disorder. Also I heard and witnessed myself multiple times it can cure some kind of depression.

A real disorder is not psychosomatic.

[WritingHands]

I still despise how vague all of the terminologies are even though we have distinct names for things.

It's like trying to fit a square in circle, always confuse thing one for another. Thats the limit of communication for sense based things.

 

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura you know that depression is not only psychosomatic. Still lots of reports that psychedelic trips can heal depressions instantly. It has the power. But that doesn't count for every depression and some are not curable with psychedelics, no guarantee.

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura you know that depression is not only psychosomatic. Still lots of reports that psychedelic trips can heal depressions instantly. It has the power. But that doesn't count for every depression and some are not curable with psychedelics, no guarantee.

1) Depression is such a psychological thing, so no surprise. Depression is not comparable to a health disorder.

2) I don't buy these claims that psychedelics cure depression. I think these reports are from people who are self-deceived. They will fall back into their depression.

You should assume that most reports of any kind of healing are self-deception.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura They for sure played a role in my current well being. I think think of specific trips. A clear before and after. That, and combined with a lot of work in other areas.

 

[Schizophonia]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

1) Depression is such a psychological thing, so no surprise. Depression is not comparable to a health disorder.

No it’s a neurological disorder, you can pass your whole life in learned helplessness without becoming depressed and vice versa.

Depressed people can barely go out of their bed.

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2) I don't buy these claims that psychedelics cure depression.

 

It can help depression because of increased 5HT and indirectly glutamate/dopamine neurotransmission. Eventually ephedrine, norephedrine, acetylcholine, histamine, sigma…

Prolonged variations of the (neuro)endocrine balance can also act as a strong epigenetic signal and depression is epigenetic.

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I think these reports are from people who are self-deceived. They will fall back into their depression.

Again, you have based a big part of your whole persona on « I'm the pain in the ass on duty who explains who is mature and who is not. » so now you have to live is an such reality to save your identity.

This is happening because your non-dual realizations were essentially built on drugs, so you have not done the work to truly evolve your ego, your beliefs, and ultimately your energetic structure.

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You should assume that most reports of any kind of healing are self-deception.

Same so now contact Joe Dispenza 

[Schizophonia]

49 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura you know that depression is not only psychosomatic. Still lots of reports that psychedelic trips can heal depressions instantly. It has the power. But that doesn't count for every depression and some are not curable with psychedelics, no guarantee.

It’s not psychosomatic at all. + @Leo Gura is my mirror who love too much playing the « teacher » and so can’t stand being wrong  ; So most of the time he will put his intention in a subject, consult his ego about what to think some minutes, and decree the reality.

Ps : Mirror effect is direct, by talking about Leo i act like him when i say « It’s not psychosomatic at all », i actually have 0 base to say that lol  

[RendHeaven]

4 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

It’s not psychosomatic at all. + @Leo Gura is my mirror who love too much playing the « teacher » and so can’t stand being wrong  ; So most of the time he will put his intention in a subject, consult his ego about what to think some minutes, and decree the reality.

That's not a very charitable take - he has healthy caution unlike so many naive optimists.

I wouldn't mistake that for a character flaw.

[OBEler]

4 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

That's not a very charitable take - he has healthy caution unlike so many naive optimists.

I wouldn't mistake that for a character flaw.

It's not healthy caution to dismiss psychedelics for curation completely where there is too much evidence alone in this forum how it can cure certain disorders. He can call these people all biased. But with placebo and self bias alone migraine won't go away. 

Leo is an expert on psychedelics, he knows the power. He knows it changes your brain chemistry so it has a biological effect. Since Leo cannot use psychedelics anymore his opinion about psychedelics changed to a more negative way in some distorted way I feel.  @Leo Gura

Edit: I think I understand now what Leo referring to disorders, not psychological disorders but more like pure biological one like having cancer. I then absolutely agree with Leo about this.

Edited 2 hours ago by OBEler