Sam Harris destroys Elon Musk

[Leo Gura]

54 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Supporting Trump isn't even the slightest bit out of character for him.

Endorsing Trump is one thing, buying an election is another.

Edited November 27 by Leo Gura

[aurum]

@Emerald I never saw that debate as strictly being about Elon's integrity, so maybe there was some miscommunication there.

It was always a broader discussion for me. And I'm not sure why you'd want to deliberately narrow it anyway.

Yes, of course leftists get somethings right about Elon. That's also never been the issue. The issue is that they're still biased in their assessment.

You can be biased and make good points. These are not mutually exclusive.

I personally started having a bad feeling about him as soon as he bought Twitter. That was one of the first unhinged moves I saw him make.

The next big problem I can remember was him doing that interview where he talked about Xavier being dead to him and that he wanted to "destroy the woke mind virus". 

So he was certainly less unhinged pre-COVID at a minimum.

24 minutes ago, Emerald said:

They just may not have Stage Turquoise perspective of seeing all things (positive and negative) as inter-connectedly working together to create something greater than the sum of their parts. So, they may not recognize that Elon is integral to the structure of now.

No, it's much worse than that.

You give them too much credit.

Edited November 27 by aurum

[Emerald]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Endorsing Trump is one thing, buying an election is another.

All of that is consistent behavior for him.

He doesn't have integrity. He wants power and admirers and will do whatever it takes to get that.

And whether he gets that through building rockets or buying elections... it's all the same to him.

[Emerald]

13 minutes ago, aurum said:

@Emerald I never saw that debate as strictly being about Elon's integrity, so maybe there was some miscommunication there.

It was always a broader discussion for me. And I'm not sure why you'd want to deliberately narrow it anyway.

Yes, of course leftists get somethings right about Elon. That's also never been the issue. The issue is that they're still biased in their assessment.

You can be biased and make good points. These are not mutually exclusive.

I personally started having a bad feeling about him as soon as he bought Twitter. That was one of the first unhinged moves I saw him make.

The next big problem I can remember was him doing that interview where he talked about Xavier being dead to him and that he wanted to "destroy the woke mind virus". 

So he was certainly less unhinged pre-COVID at a minimum.

No, it's much worse than that.

You give them too much credit.

The conversation from a few months ago was about Trump and Elon having low integrity and low consciousness.

And then, Leo came in and told us all off because we were mentioning Elon in the same breath as Trump when we were talking about low conscious, low integrity behavior.

And I recall that that wasn't really the focus on the conversation (I think we were just using them as examples or something), but it was a foot-note in the conversation that Leo homed in on. 

He chalked it up to us being biased Lefties because we were equating Elon and Trump... and that we see him as lacking in integrity just because of his views... and seeing him only through the biased lefty lens.

Then, I retorted by listing off a lot of things Elon's done that shows his lack of integrity.

And Leo told me that I don't understand him and that I had to watch 10 hours of Elon videos to get a less biased take on him. But he wouldn't support his point beyond that as to how these interviews would show me that my conjecture that he's low integrity would be overturned or changed by watching them.

I feel like, no matter how many interviews I watch, this isn't going to convince me that Elon is a person of integrity.

And I'm not the one that's sitting here surprised that he gave millions to Donald Trump's re-election campaign.

[aurum]

23 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I feel like, no matter how many interviews I watch, this isn't going to convince me that Elon is a person of integrity.

Of course.

It's pretty obvious Elon is lacking in the integrity department. It's hard to become douchebag-overlord-oligarch otherwise.

[Bobby_2021]

9 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Russia is imperialist colonialist too you know. 🦭

Nah. Not right now. 

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Elon plays the game of power quite well. He takes credit for the engineers that work under him. 

Elon is not the dude calling the shots here. He isn't making the crucial decisions. He is being managed by departments dedicated for exactly for this.

Edited November 27 by Bobby_2021

[LSD-Rumi]

12 hours ago, Emerald said:

Our discussion a couple months back was in regard to whether or not Elon Musk has integrity.

 

Elon Musk has two sides: the genius engineer and the idiot "intellectual" as explained by Sam in the video, They former should not be denied or ignored. Leftists these days hate Elon so much that they like to deny all the wonderful and genius things he created in his lifetime. 

[cistanche_enjoyer]

I would really encourage anyone to go watch any of the (older) podcasts between Lex Friedman and Elon and observe his thinking process. As an example:

 

[Recursoinominado]

46 minutes ago, cistanche_enjoyer said:

I would really encourage anyone to go watch any of the (older) podcasts between Lex Friedman and Elon and observe his thinking process. As an example:

 

"This is the best conversation between two robots that I’ve ever witnessed." lol

Zero charisma between those two.