Aaron Abke is Pro-Trump

[Emerald]

3 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

The other side of the coin is that you could easily be wrong about who he was talking about. If that’s the case, you have basically slandered this man in front of everybody on this forum. 

You need to be sure about what he meant before potentially ruining this man’s reputation. Some Reddit or fringe forum posts aren’t sufficient evidence.

I could be wrong. I've acknowledged that I don't know for sure. So, it isn't slander. It's an interpretation.

But I am more inclined than not to believe that it was a dog whistle.

And if he doesn't want people to think that of him, he should try to distinguish his conspiracy theories from QANON's conspiracy theories.
 

[Recursoinominado]

11 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

The other side of the coin is that you could easily be wrong about who he was talking about. If that’s the case, you have basically slandered this man in front of everybody on this forum. 

You need to be sure about what he meant before potentially ruining this man’s reputation. Some Reddit or fringe forum posts aren’t sufficient evidence.

Stop gaslighting.

Aaron was clear.

[Emerald]

31 minutes ago, TheAlchemist said:

A lot of the new-age spiritualist stuff combined with conspiracy theories could easily be integrated into a fascist narrative.

That's definitely true.

It tends to have the same narrative structure.

New Agers tend to believe that, in the past, humanity was more brilliant and wiser than it is now. But then, "they" (the Reptilians/elites) came and now we're in a fallen world where we've forgotten our wisdom. And there's lots of hierarchical ideas of Indigo children and awakened people who will graduate to 5-d consciousness and we'll be wise again.

And Fascists tend to believe that, the nation/race was once idyllic and great.  That is until "they" (the cabal of elite Jewish people) came and brainwashed everyone into Feminism, multiculturalism, and post-modern Neo-Marxism, and now we're in a fallen world. But we, the great people, will defeat that Cabal and rise again into our former glory and become a mono-cultural patriarchal theocratic utopia once again.

So, the structures of the story is very similar.

And I notice that New Age people tend to get easily tricked into Fascist thinking.

[_Archangel_]

@How to be wise What is that supposed to mean?  Are you trying to imply that American voters are educated, zealous follower of politics?
Or that Trump is a wise Leader?

[Buck Edwards]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Many Greens are foolish and ignorant and will fall for a conartist like Trump because they operate on group-think.

I'm confused. What values of Trump could possible be appealing to Green? 

[_Archangel_]

@Buck Edwards It's more about talking point rather then values. Greens that haven't sufficently developed their Orange stage can easily fall into conspiracies rabbit holes ( vaccines, Climate change not being real, "fighting the deep state", Trans-humanism, Jews controlling the galaxy, "Gender Theory" etc.) and they become more prone to vote Republicans.

[Buck Edwards]

2 minutes ago, _Archangel_ said:

( vaccines, Climate change not being real, "fighting the deep state", Trans-humanism, Jews controlling the galaxy, "Gender Theory" etc.) and they become more prone to vote Republicans.

Sounds more like Qanon. 

[What Am I]

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

First of all SD is just a model, so don’t take it too seriously.

Pretty good advice. Personally, I find it interesting and often accurate, but I'm very far from accepting it as an absolute. As I'm sure is probably also true for those highly knowledgeable in it, such as aurum.

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

Plus, many people have argued that Trump himself is operating on the Yellow stage. In fact, the creator of SD himself said such a thing. 

Very interesting if true. I'd have a tough time placing him at a high level, but I may be judging by the wrong criteria.

1 hour ago, How to be wise said:

There is no doubt that many people at Yellow and Turquoise are Trump supporters. We saw many people that Leo respected a lot and held in high esteem, but when it was revealed that they voted for Trump, Leo instantly turned on them and labelled them “Blue” “unconscious” “cringe” etc. Of course that was not very convincing. 

I have no idea what stage of development I actually coincide with on the model, but after everything I've done in my life, I wouldn't consider myself a slouch. And I too land on the side of Trump, to the chagrin of many here, I'm sure.

[_Archangel_]

@Buck Edwards Yes, but some some Greens fall for it aswell. To fall in rabbit holes all you need is being ignorant and lacking basic epistemic analysis abilities. Greens and Blues who didn't work their Orange properly go hand in hand in this.

[Brittany]

Well, this is sometimes where the "there is no evil" , "there is no bad", "nothing is wrong" , "everything is holy', "all is good", "Everything is God" train of thought will lead you.

It can lead to stuff like this. haha

[Oeaohoo]

On 25/11/2024 at 0:42 AM, zurew said:

One can write a script about how these gurus would react to a given situation , becuase most of them are incredibly predicatable and most of the time they apply 0 critical thinking.

That is just as true of this forum. Here’s a script for you:

”Trump is the devil. Anyone who supports Trump is a demonic monster, there are no exceptions. Nothing could be further from our Work than his message of hateful bigotry. This work is about Truth, Love, Consciousness and furthering the development of mankind. Trump is the anathema of everything we stand for. He is a delusional, egotistical maniac, and so is anyone who supports him.”

 

[zurew]

@Oeaohoo Can you point me to a single post about Trump that has substance to it and no one engaged with it?

Because I can point you to countless posts where arguments have been made against Trump and nothing of substance have been provided in response to them.

[Oeaohoo]

35 minutes ago, zurew said:

@Oeaohoo Can you point me to a single post about Trump that has substance to it and no one engaged with it?

Because I can point you to countless posts where arguments have been made against Trump and nothing of substance have been provided in response to them.

The only legitimate pro-Trump argument is accelerationism: the American system is doomed and the sooner it is all over the better. That is the positive function of the Devil in the world, to destroy what is no longer worth preserving.

There are also explanations for his success which aren’t necessarily justifications. For example, a number of people on here have made the valid case that the Left are losing in the West because of their obnoxious self-righteousness and moral busy-bodying.

It’s hard to claim to be “liberal” when you have the demeanour of Nurse Ratched… 

 

[zurew]

1 hour ago, Oeaohoo said:

There are also explanations for his success which aren’t necessarily justifications. For example, a number of people on here have made the valid case that the Left are losing in the West because of their obnoxious self-righteousness and moral busy-bodying.

Which is an appeal to vibes (and mostly applicable to the fringe left, but certainly not to all the left) , which is fine, but some of those people you mention support Trump over Kamala and they didn't just give an explanation but they tried to use it as a justification.

There is a constant jumping between "here is a set of reasons (mostly vibes or misinfo or being irrational) why people didnt want to vote for Kamala" vs "here is a set of reasons why all things considered people were justified to vote for Trump".

1 hour ago, Oeaohoo said:

the American system is doomed and the sooner it is all over the better.

Do you have a supporting argument for this?

Edited Tuesday at 03:22 PM by zurew

[Oeaohoo]

14 minutes ago, zurew said:

Which is an appeal to vibes , which is fine, but some of those people you mention support Trump over Kamala and they didn't just give an explanation but they tried to use it as a justification.

There is a constant jumping between "here is a set of reasons (mostly vibes or misinfo or being irrational) why people didnt want to vote for Kamala" vs "here is a set of reasons why all things considered people were justified to vote for Trump".

Fair point.

Politics is irrational, though…

16 minutes ago, zurew said:

Do you have a supporting argument for this?

My supporting argument would be civilisational theory: in our time, this is best represented by Joseph Tainter (Collapse of Complex Societies) and Peter Turchin; more interesting to me are the theories of Spengler, Toynbee, Vico, and especially the criticism of the modern West laid out by René Guénon in his two books The Crisis of the Modern World and The Reign of Quantity and the Signs of the Times.

I imagine you would be most interested in Tainter or Turchin, assuming you haven’t read them already.