Truthful and well-paying jobs.

[Magnanimous]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Art, engineering, programming, teaching, research. These are some options. Of course any of them can get corrupted.

@Leo GuraAny people person jobs?

[Javfly33]

23 hours ago, Ramanujan said:

Computer programming jobs are good . It can be learned easly . Go for it

 

19 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

engineering, programming

 

19 hours ago, RightHand said:

 

Programming, and engineering 

 

 

16 hours ago, AION said:

Anything IT

Not sure if is a good choice. As being recently laid off as SW looking at the sector now I see conditions to apply to jobs much much harsh than before, it is saturated while automatization and low-code tech is going up, it doesn't look is going to get better anytime soon, in fact it probably will get worse the more IA gets better and more refined. 

 

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[AION]

@Javfly33 There will be lay offs in every sector as soon as those Elon Musk AI robots hit the market. In my opinion IT is the safest bet and also the most lucrative. Humans will be replaced by robots but somebody needs to keep an eye on the robots in terms of maintenance and development. And IT is very versatile. I'm going into IT project management because I don't like to be locked onto a screen 8 hours a day. The whole thing with AI is that you either integrate AI into your craft or AI will integrate you and make you obsolete.

And by the way I wouldn't listen to that Japanese guy. He will say anything for some cloud and attention. He is a well known attention whore and abusing his wife.

Edited 12 hours ago by AION

[Javfly33]

3 minutes ago, AION said:

@Javfly33 There will be lay offs in every sector as soon as those Elon Musk AI robots hit the market. In my opinion IT is the safest bet and also the most lucrative. Humans will be replaced by robots but somebody needs to keep an eye on the robots in terms of maintenance and development. And IT is very versatile. I'm going into IT project management because I don't like to be locked onto a screen 8 hours a day. The whole thing with AI is that you either integrate AI into your craft or AI will integrate you and make you obsolete.

And by the way I wouldn't listen to that Japanese guy. He will say anything for some cloud and attention. He is a well known attention whore and abusing his wife.

Yes IT is very big, my main warning was about precisely coding. 

Im also going into project management, although getting my foot on the door is being hard because they obviously ask for past experience in a similar role. Are you working of that already?

[AION]

@Javfly33 No project management is a lot of responsibility and I can't bare it right now. Focusing on developing myself right now. Plus I'm in my second year of my bachelor.

By the way I don't mind the disruption that AI will cause. There are a lot of impotent sectors like health care, coaching and especially psychology that needs disruption. I really have some resentment against psychologists. I can't wait until they become obsolete.

 

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[Shane Hanlon]

17 hours ago, aurum said:

Energy use is going to continue to rise globally. Expecting anything else is impossible at this point.

If we take our coordination capabilities, economic system, governance model, and cultures as invariant then this is likely true. But, improving these macro structures is possible and worth the effort.

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[aurum]

2 hours ago, Shane Hanlon said:

If we take our coordination capabilities, economic system, governance model, and cultures as invariant then this is likely true.

That’s exactly right.

None of these macro structures are changing anytime soon. We are way too underdeveloped collectively and too dependent on them for our survival.

This is a serious self-deception for many in the metacrisis community.

If you want to talk about healing the ecological crisis, I’m on board. But self-deceptions around what is possible are not helpful.

In addition, I’m not convinced that long-run energy use will decrease even when these structures inevitably change. We are likely headed for being an intergalactic species that colonizes space, and I just don’t see that using less total energy. 

[toasty7718]

Engineering. 

 

Environmental & Civil especially 

[toasty7718]

 

[Shane Hanlon]

25 minutes ago, aurum said:

None of these macro structures are changing anytime soon. We are way too underdeveloped collectively and too dependent on them for our survival.

This is a serious self-deception for many in the metacrisis community.

Thank you for responding and engaging with me! You bring up some important nuances.

Firstly I'd like to highlight that dismissing possibilities or perspectives as anothers self-deception does not make for constructive conversation or quality truth-seeking.

I'd also like to say that I don't identify as or with the term "metacrisis community".

To address your concerns about being too collectively underdeveloped and dependent on our macro structures. Society and other macro structures are not a linear output of the average of the humans that make it up. There are many relationships that inlfuence large structures and in a recursive way these structures influence everything else. You can work at changing culture through technology, economics, government, or by working directly within culture. Similarly, development can change non-linearly from many directions. We have to be honest and admit that we don't truly know if macro structures can change soon enough. We have to leave room for it's possibility. But ultimately, I agree with your sentiment that we are not in a great spot collectively.

Quoting Ilya Priogine "When a system is far from equilibrium, small islands of coherence have the capacity to shift the entire system."

In my view, it is irresponsible to give up on improving our macro structures only because it sometimes feels impossible.

 

38 minutes ago, aurum said:

If you want to talk about healing the ecological crisis, I’m on board.

Amazing! We need people on board for this massive endeavor and everything it entails!

 

39 minutes ago, aurum said:

In addition, I’m not convinced that long-run energy use will decrease even when these structures inevitably change. We are likely headed for being an intergalactic species that colonizes space, and I just don’t see that using less total energy.

I think researching physical limitations to energy could be a sobering reality check for this dream. Like peak oil and current material constraints of "green energy". It is conceivable that we solve nuclear fusion at scale and have a lot of energy.

Although being a spacefaring civilization can seem beautiful,  if we do not improve our fundamental collective orientation towards life including macro systems, then we are just spreading our virus across the universe.

[Shane Hanlon]

@toasty7718 Good share! Here is the written corrollary. 
https://civilizationemerging.com/dharma-inquiry-2/

[aurum]

3 hours ago, Shane Hanlon said:

Firstly I'd like to highlight that dismissing possibilities or perspectives as anothers self-deception does not make for constructive conversation or quality truth-seeking.

Then you dismiss my perspective to be self-deception.

Our positions are currently incompatible. Either there is a reasonable possibility for these macro structures to change or there is not. You obviously believe there is, and I disagree.

3 hours ago, Shane Hanlon said:

We have to be honest and admit that we don't truly know if macro structures can change soon enough. We have to leave room for it's possibility. 

No I do not. Not at any level that warrants taking it seriously at least.

Even with non-linear dynamics, you are still talking a very large time until there is significant change to the macro structures for the better.

Significant change for the worse is more likely.

3 hours ago, Shane Hanlon said:

I think researching physical limitations to energy could be a sobering reality check for this dream. Like peak oil and current material constraints of "green energy". It is conceivable that we solve nuclear fusion at scale and have a lot of energy.

Although being a spacefaring civilization can seem beautiful,  if we do not improve our fundamental collective orientation towards life including macro systems, then we are just spreading our virus across the universe.

I'll ballpark a time frame of a couple hundred years.

Certainly we should clean up our act as best as possible.