The Price of Investigating Consciousness Deeply

[Razard86]

Consciousness in its purest form is a Sane Insanity. If a human consciousness unprepared ever went Infinite it would rage against itself in fear and anger. Why? Because Consciousness does not have to obey logic at all. Death is life, inanimate is animate, black is white, small is big, mean is nice, hot is cold, etc... It breaks all boundaries and renders them meaningless. So any attempts to gain a deep understanding while maintaining your existing paradigms is ludacris. Reality does not make sense when trying to apply rules to it. 

Here is a fun fact for you, the deluded man is equally as correct as the non deluded man. Delusion, illusion, factual, and guessing are all equal. If Reality ever shows you this, you will bust out laughing at the fact that Science, Education, and all forms of Knowledge....are MEANINGLESS. Reality is A FICTION, but only because it is Infinitely Intelligent, AND PURE LOVE, is it the TRUTH. 

[Princess Arabia]

This is quite obvious if we look around. This is why we go around in circles. Never getting anywhere. This is also why there's nothing to get. The only thing there is to get is what your post is saying.

[Javfly33]

6 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is quite obvious if we look around. This is why we go around in circles. Never getting anywhere. This is also why there's nothing to get. The only thing there is to get is what your post is saying.

Why do you even wake up every day from bed if you arent getting anywhere?

You are an Alive process, when you were born you were very small and now you have grown into an adult human being. You are an on going thing.

Is your own Existence that Independently of your body that is going somewhere.

Edited Sunday at 10:33 AM by Javfly33

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Razard86 

I don't want to argue with you pointlessly, it's just curiosity.

I will use regressive incompleteness here, since your statement is internally contradictory, so I will ask you a question: how do you know that? How do you know that you are not deluding yourself at the very moment of constructing this statement. How do you know that you know? Even if it seems to you that you have achieved an absolute, ultimate state of vision, my question still remains valid. It concerns all the views expressed here, including mine, of course. And this does not mean discrediting anything or anyone, because you may be right, just like anyone else.

[Kuba Powiertowski]

At some point you have to surrender your intellectualization of existence. Otherwise you'll end up in endless vicious circles of karma, whatever you call it. Do your thing, follow your heart, help people - those fucking little bastards, be nice if you can, tell the truth. Fuck this eternal speculation. What was was, what is is, what will be will be.

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

At some point you have to surrender your intellectualization of existence. Otherwise you'll end up in endless vicious circles of karma, whatever you call it.

Yeap https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxwQbQ7WL7L8L1dlEhav4MlxDThk2qnTfW?si=z8QriyH3pWY2DTTO

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Javfly33 100% agree. Intuitively. Brilliant. Thanks🙏

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, Razard86 said:

. If a human consciousness unprepared ever went Infinite it would rage against itself in fear and anger.

Doesn't that mean that there’s still ego left meaning it’s not fully infinite?

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

Doesn't that mean that there’s still ego left meaning it’s not fully infinite?

True.

Insanity is insanity of the mind, the ego. The ego reacts in fear, with rage. Awakening transcends the distinction-making ego that fears, that rages. The ego is left alone to be sane or insane if it wants.

It's true that you have to let go of the fear of insanity, of the possibility of insanity, and giving yourself completely into that when transcending the ego which generally sustains itself on what it perceives to be sanity. But this is not the same as actually becoming insane. This is a dangerous conflation which can lead to a lot of unneccessary pain and suffering.

If you are insane, you are insane, not You.

Edited Sunday at 01:54 PM by Carl-Richard

[Ishanga]

9 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is quite obvious if we look around. This is why we go around in circles. Never getting anywhere. This is also why there's nothing to get. The only thing there is to get is what your post is saying.

Your Correct but Incorrect, there is something to "Get", that is until there is Nothing to "Get", it is a circle..  Bruce Lee said "Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick", Life is cyclical, the only thing is Awareness of this cycle, that is the only thing we can do as Human compared to any other life form, and that is a sort of Action, Being Aware, then the cycle shifts.

Awareness is another form of Intelligence for lack of a better word, its not really a Doing, one cannot make themselves Aware, they can just fix the atmosphere or inner situation in a way that Realization of Awareness blossoms by itself, like planting a flower, other things have to happen before the flower blooms, there is no planting of seed, then flower instantly appears, so in that is a "Process" and that is where action and Doing is, creating the situation for it to happen naturally.. 

Lots are UnAware, and via that we have a mixed up corrupt world, systems of dysfunction and suffering for billions of ppl, something has to be done, if Nothing is or has to be done then we are doomed, we have to deal with these situations, Body and Mind and Emotions and not avoid it by saying Nothing is to be Done, no one can just do nothing for the most part, if they could then for sure things would transform, but they/we can't, so action has to happen...

[Ishanga]

He talks about how the process of Knowing Life is, how most ppl are not stable enough to really go thru the process of Knowing Life while here and embodied, and that it takes plenty of preparation work before the real work happens.. 

We are all layers upon layers of karma, of things that need to be worked out, but we have highly tuned up and alert but conditioned Intellects, everything on this forum is Intellectual, ppl expressing ideologies about all sorts of things, this is helpful on a tiny level only, because we are far too identified with our intellects and what we think about things, this is minor realizations, it is prep work only! 

The Real work sooner or later has to happen, it can kill some ppl, but it has to be done otherwise same old cycles happen, we are worse off in many ways than we were before the industrial revolution and tech revolution, we can all destroy ourselves in many more ways today than ever, but no Awareness is really present...

Edited Sunday at 02:20 PM by Ishanga

[Princess Arabia]

8 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

Why do you even wake up every day from bed if you arent getting anywhere?

You are an Alive process, when you were born you were very small and now you have grown into an adult human being. You are an on going thing.

Is your own Existence that Independently of your body that is going somewhere.

Seemingly. Are the actors on a movie screen going anywhere. Yes, within the movie. Is the TV screen going anywhere, no. Does that answer your question. Now, I'm about to go to the store. Hope I get there.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

something has to be done, if Nothing is or has to be done then we are doomed

Where in my comment did i say there's nothing to do. We are doomed? Doomed from what. A long and everlasting life? We'll just be dying sooner than later. Maybe suffer a bit more. You see doom and gloom; I see life happening. Forever.

[Ishanga]

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is quite obvious if we look around. This is why we go around in circles. Never getting anywhere. This is also why there's nothing to get. The only thing there is to get is what your post is saying.

This implies no action is required, since there is no where to go and nothing to get, that is how I understand it.

Now the essence as I understand it as to what the bolded sentences say is Truth for sure, not saying otherwise, but its a Process of Realization, of getting to an experience of there is no where to go and nothing to get, this is Emptiness, No Thing Ness in essence and is an aspect of Enlightenment, but it has to be Experienced, if it is not then there "Is" somewhere to go and somewhere to get to lol... and if someone is not willing to go somewhere and get something then we are doomed...

[Ishanga]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Where in my comment did i say there's nothing to do. We are doomed? Doomed from what. A long and everlasting life? We'll just be dying sooner than later. Maybe suffer a bit more. You see doom and gloom; I see life happening. Forever.

I see life everywhere too, in the suffering there is a beautiful tree that is blowing in the wind or a person helping another person and so forth, but I see the opposite too, if You only see one side then it is distorted.  I would say on someone level there are more ppl suffering than Blissed out or even at Peace within, so that is how it is, and it is the basic quality of One's life via either a Blissful Experience or Suffering Experience, its all Life Yes, but not an Empowered or Life of Expressed Potential, which is tragic...

[Ishanga]

18 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Seemingly. Are the actors on a movie screen going anywhere. Yes, within the movie. Is the TV screen going anywhere, no. Does that answer your question. Now, I'm about to go to the store. Hope I get there.

The TV screen is akin to the Existence or Reality as it is, which is Perfect, but we as Humans have Free Will to determine and explore Potential and Experience, and the playing field (TV) is set up perfectly for us to play this game, so its a Game.

Suffering it or Realizing its Truth and Potential of Perfection (Bliss) makes all the difference.. You can look at the TV turned off, or watch your favorite Movie or TV show, that makes all the difference, so its in that difference that makes Life as it is here for us to play the game of it, all Potentials are being exposed and explored so Life/Absolute can Experience itself, that makes all the difference...

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

This implies no action is required, since there is no where to go and nothing to get, that is how I understand it.

That's not what I'm implying. Of course, life goes on. I've been here since day one. The body, that is. It's the mind that wants to get somewhere. I'm not speaking of the relative material world. The post was about consciousness and it's implications. I would never say these things about life itself and the mundane world and that there's nowhere to go and nothing to get. It's obvious life goes on and we're doing things and going places. I don't just sit on my ass and say, oh well, there's nothing to do and wake up saying there's nothing to get. I'm referring to the real world, the unseen, the true nature of things. Who I really am. What I really am. There's no denying the body/mind/ego. I just recognize it for what it is. 

Edited Sunday at 04:45 PM by Princess Arabia

[UnbornTao]

"Sanity is a function of mind; what's true is true already." - Anonymous.

Edited Sunday at 04:24 PM by UnbornTao

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

I see life everywhere too, in the suffering there is a beautiful tree that is blowing in the wind or a person helping another person and so forth, but I see the opposite too, if You only see one side then it is distorted. 

You constantly change my words around and say what it is you think I'm saying. I never said there were no opposites. You equate suffering to be doom and gloom and the beautiful trees and helping people to be the opposite. All I said was I see life happening. Please stop with the wrong interpretations of what you think I'm saying. See my words for what they are. If you need clarification, simply ask. 

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's now what I'm implying. Of course, life goes on. I've been here since day one. The body, that is. It's the mind that wants to get somewhere. I'm not speaking of the relative material world. The post was about consciousness and it's implications. I would never say these things about life itself and the mundane world and that there's nowhere to go and nothing to get. It's obvious life goes on and we're doing things and going places. I don't just sit on my ass and say, oh well, there's nothing to do and wake up saying there's nothing to get. I'm referring to the real world, the unseen, the true nature of things. Who I really am. What I really am. There's no denying the body/mind/ego. I just recognize it for what it is. 

Yes the Absolute is this way, and its the essence of what makes us what we are, Life process, which indicates action.

In Absolute Realm whatever that is, there is no action, here there is, so we use the Body/Mind for that purpose, but we can stay in the realization/awareness of the Absolute at all times, this makes things like the Mind easier to deal with, there is a space created or experience btwn this Absolute and Mind which messes everything up, that is the beauty of our creation and actions and such, it allows all of this too happen, its just when there is Unawareness of Absolute this thing called Suffering comes up and its not so nice...