The Price of Investigating Consciousness Deeply

[Ishanga]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

This is key right here. You might not even realize how profound this statement is right here, but it is the main thing that woke me up, so-to-speak, from my slumber. There are no humans left behind. There are no disabled humans on the existential level - only appear to be. Only in appearance and to the mind. Only within the illusion of Maya. Only in the matrix. This is what it appears like. The energetic form. Yes, we live like this and form our reality from all this and put disabled people in nursing homes and treat them differently and the rest, but it's only the perceived form that appears disabled. No one is more disadvantaged than the other. Only in appearance. So enlightenment is not for the advantaged and "oh poor me" for the disabled. It is already the case even for them. 

Well at least You recognize there are "Levels" and I agree, but on this level we are in with a Body and Mind and Maya (Maya is illusion, illusion means something exists but not as You presently think it does, eg the Table is solid, but in its deepest essence it is not!) 

Appearance is a replacement word for this sort of reality with duality, karma, body/mind complex and matrix... Its a real as we want to make it...

[Princess Arabia]

21 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Awareness wise,

There is only Awareness, with a capital A. You're speaking of awareness with a lower case "a". Awareness is also aware of the stupidities and whatever else you're referring to on the human level. Awareness can only be aware by it's nature. Which is ultimately who and what you truly are. Your true nature, Awareness, is aware of the body, mind, thoughts, objects, people and things etc. It is not concerned with Human's bullshit and dilemmas. You as the illusory human is. This is what it means to awaken to your true nature as Awareness. You might say, one cannot ignore the body and mind and the human form. Could you please find and locate that one. I'll be truly obliged to know.

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

. Its a real as we want to make it...

Exactly, so this conversation is quite pointless because it's whatever we want to make it. Sometimes I wonder if you guys are really understanding what you're saying. "As real as we want to make it" is the same as nothing tangible there and forever changing. So, if that's the case, enlightenment is also as real as we want to make it. 

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

its been said that we can even choose the womb we are born into,

Even if this is the case, the human didn't make that choice. I do not get into these things either even though I've heard it before. We choose our parents, family, countries and life circumstances. Like you said, I don't know how true, so I refrain from reiterating those concepts or ideas. 

Who made that choice has nothing to do with the human. There are no humans in the after or before life saying I want to be born into this and that, and how do you know it's not the energy called choice (that we've named choice) that didn't choose this, if it's the case. You're only seeing things from the human perspective but to see beyond that we have to be able to see energetically.

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Even if this is the case, the human didn't make that choice. I do not get into these things either even though I've heard it before. We choose our parents, family, countries and life circumstances. Like you said, I don't know how true, so I refrain from reiterating those concepts or ideas. 

Who made that choice has nothing to do with the human. There are no humans in the after or before life saying I want to be born into this and that, and how do you know it's not the energy called choice (that we've named choice) that didn't choose this, if it's the case. You're only seeing things from the human perspective but to see beyond that we have to be able to see energetically.

Well I've shared the 5 sheaths Yogic Theory with You, I don't believe or disbelieve it, its just there along with all the other things said, written and shared before.. All I know is that I am not this Body or Mind, then the natural curiosity of "Then what am I" (Using "I" is a misnomer of the language, there is no I in Absolute or Atman/Brahman) and it leads us on to something else discovered or learned, so layers of Maya are present, karma too, and we go further down this path, even thought its not a path to know One's self is One/Absolute/Atman in reality as You say its already there! The Key for Us Humans is Realization I've discovered..

 

[Carl-Richard]

Why is it that when I derail a thread with an arguably not even tangential topic, everybody loses their minds, but when people do it with non-dual/awakening/enlightenment mumbo-jumbo, nobody bats an eye? 😃

Edited Sunday at 10:12 PM by Carl-Richard

[Sugarcoat]

5 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

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This💯

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Sugarcoat said:

This💯

😂

[Yimpa]

I am the 69th post of this topic and I approve this message. Let’s keep contemplating deeper and deeper - together!!!

[zurew]

21 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

27 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

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This💯

The power of silence.

 

24 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

mumbo-jumbo

Which one is more fancy ? mumbo-jumbo or gibberish or worthless drivel (this last one is from oeaohoo)

Edited Sunday at 10:34 PM by zurew

[Beans]

I (consciousness) only want you to see me. I don’t care about how others see me. 

I only want to see you.

[Princess Arabia]

29 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

This💯

Funny

[Princess Arabia]

35 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Why is it that when I derail a thread with an arguably not even tangential topic, everybody loses their minds, but when people do it with non-dual/awakening/enlightenment mumbo-jumbo, nobody bats an eye? 😃

It's all mumbo jumbo. Non-dual/awakening/enlightenment is just the Big Mac of mumbo jumbos.😛 I love to engage in super mumbo jumbos. Makes the mumbo jumbo worthwhile. Is that jumbo mumbo supersized enough. 😉😅

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, it happens. I agree. It's the mind's activity doing it, nonetheless. There's no separation from breakingthewall and mind. 

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

There is not separation between the mind and the reality, there is just limited perception 

[Princess Arabia]

33 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is not separation between the mind and the reality, there is just limited perception 

That's like saying there's no difference between the apple and the core. It's just a limited way of looking at an apple. An apple is an apple and perception is perception. (This is existentially speaking). Of course, my perception is different from yours and I cannot see certain things with my limited mind. It's only appearing that way and the mind is appearing to be limited. There's no actual perception or limitations. What you see is what is. The body/chairs/walls/trees etc. That's it. Everything else is imagination. 

[Javfly33]

12 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Exactly. Bingo. I'm not the body. Go ahead and use the body for the mind's enlightenment thrills while I bask in what is - what doesn't need enlightenment.

The thing is that which doesn't need enlightment can be veiled by thoughts or barriers as you guys say.

So we are just trying to wash away the barriers, is not that that the 'All' is not enlightened but it can exist in different ways of being, in a way thats the 'Freedom' as you say, you as existence can exist in several ways, more open or more closed, more aware or less aware.

So personally what I'm just seeing is:

• How am I constantly closing myself?
• By what mechanism I identify myself with limitations?
• etc

It is important to understand the concrete mechanism of how one is doing it. So from that place, every time once does it again, it is a conscious decision not anymore an automatic mechanism.

Is like this, I have a home, I go out to do things, and when Im tired or Im done with those things I go home and I lock the door.

But imagine I lost control of this simple conscious free decision process. And one day Im unable to unlock the door even if I want to go out. 

What I'm saying is understand how you locked yourself, then once you understand the locking mechanism finding the key to open it is just a matter of time. After all if you are indeed the Creator, can't the creator manufacture any key? 

So think Enlightment as manifacturing the key to finally walk out the door.

Once you see you are not this body, the seeking to go beyond the limitations of the body is natural. Because it starts to really feel like a prison. 

But don´t deny the prison while you are in it, or you might never get out of it. 

Edited Monday at 09:25 AM by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's like saying there's no difference between the apple and the core. It's just a limited way of looking at an apple. An apple is an apple and perception is perception. (This is existentially speaking). Of course, my perception is different from yours and I cannot see certain things with my limited mind. It's only appearing that way and the mind is appearing to be limited. There's no actual perception or limitations. What you see is what is. The body/chairs/walls/trees etc. That's it. Everything else is imagination. 

14 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

14 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

I don't mean the perception of the things that appears, I mean the perception of what we are

[Razard86]