The Price of Investigating Consciousness Deeply

[Princess Arabia]

Nothing to get doesn't mean nothing to do. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. When you dance, are you getting anywhere. Matter of fact, let me rephrase that. Is the dance itself getting anywhere. Is the dance itself trying to accomplish anything. The dance is simply a dance and it's not trying to accomplish, do or get somewhere; it's dancing. 

When you talk, the mind tries to relay a point, trying to make someone understand, realize something or trying to accomplish something. Is talking trying to do anything, no it's a simple act of talking. You guys are missing that there is only mind activity here. Mind is "minding". There is nowhere for mind to go and nothing for mind to get. It simply is. You are all lost in mind's activity. Lost in the mind's dance. 

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

this makes things like the Mind easier to deal with,

I'm sorry, but speak for yourself. I have no dealings with the mind. I allow it to be. If I'm engaged with it, I recognize soon there after and go back to awareness. It's simply a matter of recognition. 

 

8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

this thing called Suffering comes up and its not so nice...

Neither is the taste of rotten eggs. So what.

[Ishanga]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm sorry, but speak for yourself. I have no dealings with the mind. I allow it to be. If I'm engaged with it, I recognize soon there after and go back to awareness. It's simply a matter of recognition. 

 

Neither is the taste of rotten eggs. So what.

Recognition only happens when space is there, if Your in it You cannot recognize it, only when space is there then there is recognition, now some have it more naturally but its just the beginning, 

The rotten eggs is just a matter of spitting it out, being in a war zone bombed everyday due to unconscious leaders hating one another over land ownership and BS like that is not a matter of spitting it out, the example is not relative enough, rotten eggs is not suffering, that is a tiny pain...

I am not saying I am living in a war zone, but there are extremes (rotten eggs to war zone), I live inbetween, there is the saying that most people are living lives of quiet Desperation, that is immense suffering, and I know of it, I live it, my Mind suffers it daily but I have a space/recognition of this Mind so I can crack a joke in the middle of it with a complete stranger and wish them a Great Day at the sametime, and go on in life knowing there is more to it than quiet desperation! 

Edited November 24 by Ishanga

[Javfly33]

2 hours ago, Ishanga said:

 

We are all layers upon layers of karma, of things that need to be worked out, but we have highly tuned up and alert but conditioned Intellects, everything on this forum is Intellectual, ppl expressing ideologies about all sorts of things, this is helpful on a tiny level only, because we are far too identified with our intellects and what we think about things, this is minor realizations, it is prep work only! 

 

@Ishanga Yes, in fact I won´t probably be liked for saying this but I seriously think no one in this whole forum is Enlightened.

In how I see things up to this point after the sadhana I have done, there are steps to the path and 'levels' in the staircase to Heaven (Enlightment) in which people might confuse a step with the end.

Enlightment is very serious, it has trascendental and physical implications. Enlightment is not merely a fleeting realization or a psychedelic insight or meditation samadhi experience.

[Ishanga]

14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Nothing to get doesn't mean nothing to do. THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE THINGS. When you dance, are you getting anywhere. Matter of fact, let me rephrase that. Is the dance itself getting anywhere. Is the dance itself trying to accomplish anything. The dance is simply a dance and it's not trying to accomplish, do or get somewhere; it's dancing. 

When you talk, the mind tries to relay a point, trying to make someone understand, realize something or trying to accomplish something. Is talking trying to do anything, no it's a simple act of talking. You guys are missing that there is only mind activity here. Mind is "minding". There is nowhere for mind to go and nothing for mind to get. It simply is. You are all lost in mind's activity. Lost in the mind's dance. 

This place is all about Mind, I come and go here, but we have minds and have to deal with it, You post and I post and everyone is still posting, and sharing it has its place, nothing wrong or good about it, its just there, space recognition is primary in this matter, it stops the identification with Mind and its monkey business...

[Ishanga]

8 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

@Ishanga Yes, in fact I won´t probably be liked for saying this but I seriously think no one in this whole forum is Enlightened.

In how I see things up to this point after the sadhana I have done, there are steps to the path and 'levels' in the staircase to Heaven (Enlightment) in which people might confuse a step with the end.

Enlightment is very serious, it has trascendental and physical implications. Enlightment is not merely a fleeting realization or a psychedelic insight or meditation samadhi experience.

Yes for sure agreed!

Too many books, too much sharing has warped ppl into boxes again..,. There are no Enlightened/Realized ppl here, if they were that they would not be here for sure lol...just intellectual book learners for the most part, and some that have had grand experiences via pyschedelics but don't have the ground work to let it integrate and become what is really them, so it is a false knowing in a way, it can only inspire one to eventually do the real work or Sadhana and let the layers fall by the side until a real Realization happens!! 

This is the problem when too many have shared, made videos, books written and read, we think this is progress but actually it causes much more confusion and leads away from Truth and Reality, we don't need every tom dick and harry telling us non duality is and what it takes to get there because they smoked a joint and had an experience... 

That's why I share Sadhguru so much, he's living the Experience and here in this dual material karmic world, living it out in real time but playing the game Blissfully, not suffering it like Leo does, but all claim he's the real deal because of intellectual insights (Intellect and Mind are very powerful tools, but not the end of our Potential by any means!) but still suffers, this makes no sense why ppl would follow such a person..

Edited November 24 by Ishanga

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

, rotten eggs is not suffering, that is a tiny pain...

That's the mind's distinction. Oh! BTW, I'm not in a war zone. I do not live in imagination. I'm sitting on my couch right about now. I have no reason to go in memory or imagination at the moment to think about what a war zone is like or the people that have suffered in a war zone for the sake of this conversation. 

Yes, space is there because of mind/thought. That's literally what thought is. Space and time doesn't really exist. It's being created by the mind. Mind is there when I arise from sleeping at night. That's all there is is mind. Space is automatic at the time of awakening from sleep. It's there for everyone. That's the duality of life. While I'm asleep there is only Awareness. It is still ever present and the waking person can always go back to that. 

[Princess Arabia]

Just so you guys are aware and from the comments, I'm not thinking I'm enlightened. I'm not interested in enlightenment. Enlightenment is for the birds. The mind. The mind that wants to be free of itself. Free of suffering. Free of it's own entrapment. All humans bleed red, will die someday, sleep, eat, defacate, and do worldly things. They invented the saying chop wood carry water because it was recognized that this enlightenment thing makes no difference to the human. It can still be entrapped within the mind. It will still be eating and shitting and carrying it's own weight. 

I don't care what anyone says on this. This is how I feel and will always feel. It's not because of anything. It's not something I know. I know nothing. There's a resonance. An openness. It's quite obvious to me and I'm not even thinking and feeling these things on my own. It's being done. You are free to say as you may and free to chase after what you please. Nothing you say will make a difference. Saying no one on this forum is enlightened is just a fucking thought. A thought that arose within your awareness and consciousness. It's empty and means nothing. So are these words.

Edited November 24 by Princess Arabia

[Ishanga]

20 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Just so you guys are aware and from the comments, I'm not thinking I'm enlightened. I'm not interested in enlightenment. Enlightenment is for the birds. The mind. The mind that wants to be free of itself. Free of suffering. Free of it's own entrapment. All humans bleed red, will die someday, sleep, eat, defacate, and do worldly things. They invented the saying chop wood carry water because it was recognized that this enlightenment thing makes no difference to the human. It can still be entrapped within the mind. It will still be eating and shitting and carrying it's own weight. 

I don't care what anyone says on this. This is how I feel and will always feel. It's not because of anything. It's not something I know. I know nothing. There's a resonance. An openness. It's quite obvious to me and I'm not even thinking and feeling these things on my own. It's being done. You are free to say as you may and free to chase after what you please. Nothing you say will make a difference. Saying no one on this forum is enlightened is just a fucking thought. A thought that arose within your awareness and consciousness. It's empty and means nothing. So are these words.

yes I agree on that point, its just words, we are not really talking about Truth, because it can't be talked about only experienced, but someone someday in need may come upon this place and on their present level of awareness may need to read the right words and it inspires them, plus I'm living in this world having to deal with all this unconsciousness and unenlightenement going on, its it sucks, daily having to deal with it, at least I've had some awakenings and done some work towards  more Empowerment!

I do wonder though if words mean nothing then why all the writing we do?? You even have your own journal on here sharing daily events and such, why if words mean nothing? And if there is a why, it must have meaning, then meaning means something so there it starts again, the circle of life playing out its game, you see??

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

 Saying no one on this forum is enlightened is just a fucking thought. 

It is..but there are Thoughts more Aligned with Truth than others. 

There are Like higuer vibrational Thoughts. 

There are very high states of perception that can start to open Up when your sadhana is at a certain level of intensity. And trust me in this perceptions you see that most people that think they got It they are Still in the kindergarten levels...

This Thought did not arised to me while drinking a beer. It came in a high state of perception.

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, Ishanga said:

 

 

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

And trust me in this perceptions you see that most people that think they got It they are Still in the kindergarten levels...

Just so you're aware of my stance. I don't think I've got it, hence there's nothing to get. Mind you, I'm not referring to experiences and about life and existence and reality. I'm referring to anything you think that will get you somewhere you're not already. Life is an experience. The All experiencing itself as what it's not. It cannot know itself only be itself. So whatever is, is what the All is being. Sadghuru and Osho is the All experiencing itself as Sadghuru and Osho. Javfly is the All experiencing itself as Javfly etc. What is there to get. Even if you don't get what I'm saying, it doesn't matter because you're the All experiencing itself as Javfly who doesn't get what I'm saying. Anybody that doesn't come across these "teachings" or spirituality or didn't get enlightened or whatever, is the All also having that experience. That's what I mean by there's nothing to get.

[Sugarcoat]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

True.

Insanity is insanity of the mind, the ego. The ego reacts in fear, with rage. Awakening transcends the distinction-making ego that fears, that rages. The ego is left alone to be sane or insane if it wants.

It's true that you have to let go of the fear of insanity, of the possibility of insanity, and giving yourself completely into that when transcending the ego which generally sustains itself on what it perceives to be sanity. But this is not the same as actually becoming insane. This is a dangerous conflation which can lead to a lot of unneccessary pain and suffering.

If you are insane, you are insane, not You.

Yes. It’s always the ego that is insane

Edited November 24 by Sugarcoat

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Ishanga said:

I do wonder though if words mean nothing then why all the writing we do?? You even have your own journal on here sharing daily events and such, why if words mean nothing? And if there is a why, it must have meaning, then meaning means something so there it starts again, the circle of life playing out its game, you see??

You have put meaning into no meaning. Words are simply that, words. Journal, simply that a journal. Sharing, simply that sharing. They are all energies being expressed. There's no one here to put meaning into energies or to stop the energy from taking shape or form. You keep thinking you're doing anything. It's only appearing that way. If I was to not do a journal and share my life experiences, that would also be what the energy is "not doing". We cannot escape what is. Your mind is trying to rationalize, control and manipulate what is, using thought. It means nothing to what's appearing. Just as I cannot stop you from saying what you just said, I cannot stop what is happening. I'm not here saying that if everything is empty and words mean nothing, then I should stop writing a journal. That's not what is happening; and even if it was the case, that would still be the case. We cannot escape Truth and Truth is exactly what's happening, even your comments and implications. There really is no such thing as Truth; only what is. Show me Truth and I'll show you what is.

 

 

Edited November 24 by Princess Arabia

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Ishanga Yes, in fact I won´t probably be liked for saying this but I seriously think no one in this whole forum is Enlightened.

In how I see things up to this point after the sadhana I have done, there are steps to the path and 'levels' in the staircase to Heaven (Enlightment) in which people might confuse a step with the end.

Enlightment is very serious, it has trascendental and physical implications. Enlightment is not merely a fleeting realization or a psychedelic insight or meditation samadhi experience.

Nobody in this forum is enlightened. Complete enlightenment at all levels is something extremely rare. I'm not sure if it's possible being a human, although some claim that it is

[Kuba Powiertowski]

58 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Show me Truth and I'll show you what is.

@Princess Arabia Nice🤟😘. Like from some Sergio Leone's spaghetti western. Yours?

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@Princess Arabia Nice🤟😘. Like from some Sergio Leone's spaghetti western. Yours?

Yours what. Not sure what you mean by, "yours".

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

 

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Even if you don't get what I'm saying, it doesn't matter because you're the All experiencing itself as Javfly who doesn't get what I'm saying. Anybody that doesn't come across these "teachings" or spirituality or didn't get enlightened or whatever, is the All also having that experience. 

 Im saying there are dimensions of Awakening that go beyond we can imagine with a mind.

Because Mind as you know is just thoughts. It can not cover the possibilities of the "All" 

 

Edited November 24 by Javfly33

[Princess Arabia]

23 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

. I'm not sure if it's possible being a human,

Well, who is it that wants to become enlightened. It sure ain't God. Hehe. Nor the Aliens or the animals or the trees and the birds and the racoons or ants. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

Because Mind as you know is just thoughts.

Your limited human mind is. Universal Mind is all there is. Dimensions of Awakenings are possible, yes, it's unlimited. So what, it's still just an experience the All will be having. I'm not downplaying experiences, just calling them out for what they are. It's the same as me living in a rundown house VS a mansion, or drinking cheap vodka VS the most expensive kind there is. You will call me audacious for saying this, but that's the mind making the distinction. To the Universal mind it's all the same. 

[Breakingthewall]

Just now, Princess Arabia said:

Well, who is it that wants to become enlightened. It sure ain't God. Hehe. Nor the Aliens or the animals or the trees and the birds and the racoons or ants. 

Do you want to be enlightened? For me for now is enough to achieve openenss to the absolute in some moments that make the human path a path and not a mess, but total enlightenment, zero resistance, Kundalini awakening (yes sounds wo wo, but it's real almost sure), total detachment....all this could come if its your destiny, but im my opinion isn't something that anyone could seek