Is Reincarnation True? Deep Existential Dive!

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Da77en said:

When you stop thinking you still have an experience, if your entire experience stops when you stop thinking, I haven't heard of that, unless your going into some sort of samadhi state.

Do you have any experience in deep sleep? Or meditate for hours meanwhile when mind becomes active you realize that you have sit for such long hours? That's what happened to me, that's why I am saying. Maybe i am wrong, idk. 

[Da77en]

@James123 I still have an experience in deep sleep.

I know that when you still your mind, your limited identity ceases and you experience more boundlessness. I personally don't have a cease of all experience when I have no thoughts.

There are samadhi states where you have a deeper experience of being god and you can experience more of the formless nature of consciousness, but it's still an experience.

Edited Monday at 10:18 PM by Da77en

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Da77en said:

@James123 I still have an experience in deep sleep.

I know that when you still your mind, your limited identity ceases and you experience more boundlessness. I personally don't have a cease of all experience.

There are samadhi states where you have a deeper experience of being god and you can experience more of the formless nature of consciousness, but it's still an experience.

What about before birth? What do you experience? İt is same for me as deep sleep. 

[James123]

@Da77en for example,

 

 

[Da77en]

@James123 The idea of something being before birth is an illusion. You are talking about the formless nature of consciousness and you can in a sense focus on that formlessness, however, the form doesn't go away when you do so.

I get what you mean when you say that the experience ceases, it can feel that way but the form still remains, at least that's what I experience.

It's like you are tuning into the formlessness and thus the form doesn't have as much of your attention, even though it's still there.

Edited Monday at 10:30 PM by Da77en

[James123]

Just now, Da77en said:

@James123 The idea of something being before birth is an illusion. You are talking about the formless nature of consciousness and you can in a sense focus on that formlessness, however, the form doesn't go away when you do so.

This exactly what i am saying, Of course, before birth is am illusion. Deep sleep and experience is an illusion. When you do not think at all there is no mind, experience, life, deep sleep or before birth. All becomes same for me. 

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Da77en said:

I get what you mean when you say that the experience ceases, it can feel that way but the form still remains, at least that's what I experience.

It's like you are tuning into the formlessness and thus the form doesn't have as much of your attention, even though it's still there.

In that very moment, if you do not think, is there any form for you, in that very moment ? Not while thinking or talking. By the way, English is my second language, maybe I can not express myself very well. 

[Da77en]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

This exactly what i am saying, Of course, before birth is am illusion. Deep sleep and experience is an illusion. When you do not think at all there is no mind, experience, life, deep sleep or before birth. All becomes same for me. 

Yes, you're in a sense tuning out of the form and thus there's a complete surrender and no entanglement with form. You can also do that from a place of still being engaged with form and thus not being entangled with form.

Edited Monday at 10:38 PM by Da77en

[Da77en]

@James123 In my experience there still is form, it just doesn't have any of your attention and there's a complete surrender to it. I would have to do more experimentation on that in order to give you a clear answer.

Edited Monday at 10:35 PM by Da77en

[James123]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

@James123 In my experience there still is form, it just doesn't have any of your attention and there's a complete surrender to it. I would have to do more experimentation on that in order to give you a clear answer.

I got you mean. Do you know why I am saying this? Because, I just do not wonder of any question or anything. If it is still a form or not a form. I do not care. Because, we already know that as a self we are a human beings, but what we are is there is nothing there, and therefore it won't die. Therefore, I do not care. 

[Da77en]

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

I got you mean. Do you know why I am saying this? Because, I just do not wonder of any question or anything. If it is still a form or not a form. I do not care. Because, we already know that as a self we are a human beings, but what we are is there is nothing there, and therefore it won't die. Therefore, I do not care. 

I get what you mean. Good discussions, I’ll do more experimentation.

Edited Monday at 10:50 PM by Da77en

[James123]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

I get what you mean. Good discussions, I’ll do more experimentation.

Great brother. Thank you very much for the conversation again. I like talking to you. 

Much love.

Best Regards, 

Peace! 

[UnbornTao]

2 hours ago, Da77en said:

@UnbornTao 

If you are referring to understanding the nature of life before understanding reincarnation, I somewhat agree with you.

This one. We assume that being alive is the same as knowing what life is.

[Schizophonia]

13 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchita_karma

 

 

With that attitude neither both of you two are close to it, seems you both are asking for another cycle in the washing machine of creation 😁

 

I need as many reincarnations or simply manifestations in the quantum field as it takes to succeed in catching @Sugarcoat🤔 (She is too tall so my pervert method of french provincial to made her drinking alcohol doesn’t work ☹️)

Then to tease you a little i’m going to reincarnate as Art the Clown and blow your skull up with a jackhammer.

Finally and finally only i will be able to mahasamadhi and leave the cycle of reincarnations. 🥃

 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 07:47 AM by Schizophonia

[Schizophonia]

8 hours ago, Da77en said:

You as consciousness choose the next incarnation. Both your higher mind and ego have a say, but it's still your choice because you operate from both the physical personality and higher mind simultaneously.

You have full freedom to experience whatever you want, you are choosing to have your current experience right now, even if you aren’t conscious that you are.

The beliefs/definitions you are buying into with your physical personality construct generate your entire experience and thus nothing ever contradicts that, including when it comes to your next incarnations.

I would say no one really needs to worry about their next incarnation being lower than their current incarnation as long as they are taking action in a positive direction, doing things such as expanding their consciousness, following their passion, letting go of fear, using various tools and techniques, etc.

How could believes transcend physical death and so ego if they can even be suppressed by drugs ?

[Carl-Richard]

27 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

How could believes transcend physical death and so ego if they can even be suppressed by drugs ?

What?? 😂

[Da77en]

41 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

How could believes transcend physical death and so ego if they can even be suppressed by drugs ?

Everything you experience is generated by your beliefs including any drugs. You generate the drugs and the experience you have from the drugs with your beliefs. The drugs aren’t actually contradicting your beliefs.

Beliefs/definitions generate your perspective of existence. Every possible perspective exists now, it’s simply a matter of what perspective you match the frequency of with your beliefs/definitions.

 

Edited yesterday at 04:05 AM by Da77en

[Carl-Richard]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

Everything you experience is generated by your beliefs including any drugs. You generate the drugs and the experience of the drugs with your beliefs.

Beliefs/definitions generate your perspective of existence. Every possible perspective exists now, it’s simply a matter of what perspective you match the frequency of with your beliefs/definitions.

We do not inhabit the same dictionary universe 😅

[Da77en]

@Carl-Richard If you have any questions I can explain it to you.

[Carl-Richard]

Just now, Da77en said:

@Carl-Richard If you have any questions I can explain it to you.

I don't believe that will be worth our time 😄