Is Reincarnation True? Deep Existential Dive!

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

Not quite understood this but sure

POV : You try to communicate with me.

[Sugarcoat]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

POV : You try to communicate with me.

True

[zurew]

56 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

It don’t see how something who don’t have a beginning could have a end.

Im sure you are aware that mathematically you can have different intervalls that start from -infinite and end at a particular number.

Philosophically speaking, Im not aware of an argument that establish that that Universe must have a beginning. 

Edited Monday at 06:45 PM by zurew

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

How you know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchita_karma

 

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I don’t trust neither in the end of samsara.

 

 

1 hour ago, Sugarcoat said:

You mean you don’t think it’s possible to end the cycle? Me neither I think ending it is only temporary but it restarts sooner or later

With that attitude neither both of you two are close to it, seems you both are asking for another cycle in the washing machine of creation 😁

 

[Da77en]

6 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Yes but not the ego.

You as consciousness choose the next incarnation. Both your higher mind and ego have a say, but it's still your choice because you operate from both the physical personality and higher mind simultaneously.

You have full freedom to experience whatever you want, you are choosing to have your current experience right now, even if you aren’t conscious that you are.

The beliefs/definitions you are buying into with your physical personality construct generate your entire experience and thus nothing ever contradicts that, including when it comes to your next incarnations.

I would say no one really needs to worry about their next incarnation being lower than their current incarnation as long as they are taking action in a positive direction, doing things such as expanding their consciousness, following their passion, letting go of fear, using various tools and techniques, etc.

Edited Tuesday at 12:08 AM by Da77en

[James123]

@Da77en any belief is just an temporary reflection such as life. İt is like living on Nothingness. 

[Da77en]

5 minutes ago, James123 said:

@Da77en any belief is just an temporary reflection such as life. İt is like living on Nothingness. 

Consciousness is infinite perspective. Perspective is temporary yes, but whatever perspective you have in any given moment is what determines your experience. Your experience right now is literally your perspective of existence, right now.

If you have negative fear based beliefs/perspectives. You will have an experience that you don’t prefer, a negative experience. If you expand your consciousness and have a higher level perspective of life, you will experience more of your true nature; joy, love, bliss, passion, excitement, ecstasy, etc.

Edited Monday at 07:27 PM by Da77en

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Da77en said:

Consciousness is infinite perspective. Perspective is temporary yes, but whatever perspective you have in any given moment is what determines your experience. Your experience right now is literally your perspective of existence, right now.

İ have no perspective whatsoever. What happens now,?

[Da77en]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

İ have no perspective whatsoever. What happens now,?

If you had no perspective you would have no experience.

In order to even take an action such as having a discussion on a forum you have to have a perspective.

Edited Monday at 07:29 PM by Da77en

[Ishanga]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

İ have no perspective whatsoever. What happens now,?

You have a huge perspective lol, You state it everyday here.. What You state is that there is no You and Love is everything...

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Da77en said:

If you had no perspective you would have no experience.

In order to even take an action such as having a discussion on a forum you have to have a perspective.

Experience is based on thinking if i do not think while i write, i have no perspective whatsoever. Like a deep meditation while awake. 

[Da77en]

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Experience is based on thinking if i do not think while i write, i have no perspective whatsoever. Like a deep meditation while awake. 

You may think you don’t have a perspective but you can’t have an experience or any kind of action without having a perspective.

Any action that you take you take because you believe it’s the most beneficial action in that moment.

Everything you experience is generated by your beliefs/definitions, because your experience is literally your perspective of existence/reality.

Edited Monday at 07:45 PM by Da77en

[Carl-Richard]

Just ask people.

This is Jan Esmann describing remembering his past lives just after he got Enlightened ("Self-Realized") in one of his BATGAP interviews:

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Jan: [...] Something had simply vanished from me. I don’t know what. But I was crying, and I just wanted to see my Guru and talk to him about it. So I stumbled to his room and knocked on the door and came in. And he calmed me down, which was quite a job. And he asked me what my name was. And I couldn’t answer. I didn’t know. It was just Pure Being without a name, without a form, without anything, absolutely pure, in the sense of nothing that could limit it or contract it in any way. So I said I couldn’t remember my name. Then he asked how old I was. And I didn’t know either. I couldn’t answer that. So I thought, well, this nice Guru is asking about how old I am. So I thought maybe if I count the years backwards until I was born, I might get some sensible answer which would be sort of approximate. So I remembered back, but I didn’t stop at my birth. I went back and stumbled into a previous life, and then a previous life, and a previous, previous, previous life, etc.

Rick: And were all those previous lives just as sort of vivid to you as this one?

Jan: Absolutely. But it was in glimpses, it was flashes.

Rick: Right. So what were some of them, just out of curiosity?

Jan: The previous life I was in India. I started as a Swami in the Ramakrishna Vivekananda order. Then I went into politics for the independence of India. And, yeah, I should have kept on meditating, probably.

Rick: Indian independence is a good thing. And then some of the earlier ones?

Jan: Some of the earlier ones, I have been a Christian monk a couple of times. One time I was painting altarpieces. And another incarnation I was copying manuscripts. And, yeah, let me see. I had a previous one where I had been together with this Guru.

Rick: The same one that asked your name?

Jan: This is a couple of thousand years ago. I had been with him, and I remembered I had been with him, and I had sort of left him very disrespectfully. I made a scene and sort of hated him, and started speaking against him and stuff like that. And I remembered this, and I sat there silently thinking about this. And then Gururaj turned to one of the other meditation teachers in the room and told an anecdote about a student of a Guru who had behaved exactly like I was remembering.

Rick: It’s like he knew about it.

Jan: He knew about it, and then he turned around, he looked me in the eyes, and he said, “Do you remember?” And I could only reply, “Yes, you bet I do.” And that’s all. We didn’t talk about it further than that.

https://batgap.com/jan-esmann-transcript/

Edited Monday at 08:29 PM by Carl-Richard

[UnbornTao]

Get the nature of life first

[Da77en]

@UnbornTao Are you saying to get the nature of life before understanding consciousness? What is your response referring to?

If you are referring to understanding the nature of life before understanding reincarnation, I somewhat agree with you.

Edited Monday at 08:36 PM by Da77en

[Kuba Powiertowski]

51 minutes ago, James123 said:

Experience is based on thinking

@James123 not every experience is based on thinking. In sports i.e. the best experience is based on flow of movement - kinaesthetic awarness where you don't think at all, just act in ever present now. This is extremly powerful and beautyfull experience😊

[James123]

2 hours ago, Da77en said:

You may think you don’t have a perspective but you can’t have an experience or any kind of action without having a perspective.

Any action that you take you take because you believe it’s the most beneficial action in that moment.

Everything you experience is generated by your beliefs/definitions, because your experience is literally your perspective of existence/reality.

İ am telling you again, you must have deep meditation in order to understand what i am saying. Because, if you do not meditate for long hours (at least 3-4 hours a day) mind is still active, and you only can understand what you experience. When you stop thinking you do not experience. 

And active mind can never understand that there is no mind. Because it is empty. 

2 hours ago, Da77en said:

 

[James123]

1 hour ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

@James123 not every experience is based on thinking. In sports i.e. the best experience is based on flow of movement - kinaesthetic awarness where you don't think at all, just act in ever present now. This is extremly powerful and beautyfull experience😊

Of course, but in that moment, there is no experience for them, because they do not think, just act. When mind becomes active, they realize it as experience, but in that very moment when they act, they focus and empty them mind in order to flow with the moment. 

[mmKay]

have a look about this channel on Near death experiences, maybe this will give you some perspetive.

 

 

 

[Da77en]

7 minutes ago, James123 said:

İ am telling you again, you must have deep meditation in order to understand what i am saying. Because, if you do not meditate for long hours (at least 3-4 hours a day) mind is still active, and you only can understand what you experience. When you stop thinking you do not experience. 

And active mind can never understand that there is no mind. Because it is empty. 

I do meditate for such hours, very frequently. I don't make myself meditate for strictly 3-4 hours everyday but I've probably averaged somewhere around there in the last 6 months.

It's not about an active mind, beliefs are more fundamental than mental activity. Even if you are in a state of complete surrender and no mind, you still have beliefs/definitions.

When you stop thinking you still have an experience, if your entire experience stops when you stop thinking, I haven't heard of that, unless your going into some sort of samadhi state.

Edited Monday at 10:10 PM by Da77en