Is Reincarnation True? Deep Existential Dive!

[r0ckyreed]

So is reincarnation true? Is there life after death.

I want you to contemplate the following quote:

"Think of it like this: Before you were born, you were in a state of nonexistence/nothingness -- kind of like how you might imagine death to be. But yet, you were born from this nothingness. It is like you were in death already and yet you came to be! Death is fertile for birth. After you die, you do a similar process as you did when you were born. The Universe knows no time. Eternity is at the blink of an eye. This is one life out of an infinite that you'll live. Existence is the miracle. The Universe is Magic! Welcome to the game of Eternity."

In this way, death can be understood as the reset for rebirth. You could be dead for a billion years, but yet, the time between your death and the next life would be as if no time passed at all just like in your sleep. When you die, it will be as if you never even lived, but it will also be as if you never died either.

You've lived an infinite number of past lives already, but to live this life requires you to forget all the others.

Is reincarnation true? Well, what is the alternative? That you die and never wake up? Or that you wake up from nothingness just as you have already done before?

How is it even possible that you were born in the first place? Do you see how existence is like rolling a double six. It might be improbable, but the Universe is eternal. That means that it has eternity to make the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 probability happen. This 1/10000000000000000000000000000000 is life itself. No other planet that we know of has life on it. The Universe will keep rolling until it hits the 1/10000000000000000000000000000000. But it will be as if life is a given. It will be as if rolling a double six was meant to be. If the Universe is eternal, then it makes sense that life, no matter how improbable it is, will inevitably exist. Life is inevitable because of eternity. In the same way, how could your rebirth not be inevitable because of Eternity?

Edited 11 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[r0ckyreed]

What I mean is that improbability doesn’t exist with an eternity of time. Life is improbable given a finite amount of time. But if the dice keeps rolling, it will eventually land on life. Hence, our current predicament.

Edited 11 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[James123]

No it is not true. You will go back where you come from.

[r0ckyreed]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

No it is not true. You will go back where you come from.

Thats exactly what I said. You will go back to where you came from which is being born. You cannot have an experience of nonexistence. Consciousness is inevitable given Eternity. It’s like rolling a dice with a 1/10000000 probability. But you wouldn’t know Eternity. A billion years can go by before your next life and it would be as continuous as you waking up from your deep sleep.

You will go back to your deep sleep, but it is inevitable that you will wake up.

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[James123]

Just now, r0ckyreed said:

Thats exactly what I said. You will go back to where you came from which is being born. You cannot have an experience of nonexistence. 

You will go back before the birth. Because, you will surrender what you gained, that's called death. So not nonexistentence, it is just Being.

[r0ckyreed]

Since you are God, you cannot die. You just change form. It is so freaking magical! It is insane what I’m realizing now. Death does not exist! I mean death exists in the relative meaning that I will die as a human. But I am Eternity itself and I will just change costumes. Impermanence is a gift. Death as an absolute is an illusion.

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[James123]

Just now, r0ckyreed said:

Since you are God, you cannot die. You just change form. It is so freaking magical! It is insane what I’m realizing now. Death does not exist! I mean death exists in the relative meaning that I will die as a human. But I am Eternity itself and I will just change costumes. Impermanence is a gift.

How do you know? How can you be sure your experiences are absolute truth? What you say is just relative, because it is based on "your" experience. If no one told you what god is, can you experience it? Any experience is based on mind, which is an illusion again. 

[Kuba Powiertowski]

Personal point of view. No more, no less.

[Javfly33]

22 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Thats exactly what I said. You will go back to where you came from which is being born.

You cannot have an experience of nonexistence.

Of course that you can because thats what YOU ARE 😂

Identification with thought creates feeling/sensation/belief that you are having an experience right now.

In a way you are, because attachment to memory is so strong It creates a world.

If you knew how to unlock Yourself with memory you would lose your body right now, you would stop being "incarnated".

You got Yourself into a body but now you dont remember how you did It 😂 and so here we are. 

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Consciousness is inevitable given Eternity.

Consciousness is not what you are.

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Edited 10 hours ago by Javfly33

[r0ckyreed]

18 minutes ago, James123 said:

How do you know? How can you be sure your experiences are absolute truth? What you say is just relative, because it is based on "your" experience. If no one told you what god is, can you experience it? Any experience is based on mind, which is an illusion again. 

You’re not getting it. Experience is relative within the Absolute Eternity. Eternity is Absolute. My experience changes but what always exists is Eternity. If Eternity exists, then it is inevitable that life exists no matter how improbable it may seem. The Universe has an infinite amount of time to create life. If it didn’t create life, then it would be as if I didn’t exist. But even if it takes 13 billion years to roll the dice perfectly, the Universe has all the time in the world for what we call the impossible.

Me being reborn is inevitable because of Eternity. I’ve already done it before. What makes you certain that birth won’t happen again, like a Phoenix rising from the ashes?

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[Javfly33]

19 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

What makes you certain that birth won’t happen again, like a Phoenix rising from the ashes?

@r0ckyreed Is actually pretty simple.

When you understand how you picked Up your body, you know how to not pick Up any other again.

Contemplate this: what is the difference that is happening in Reality , for you to be experiencing your body and not mine?

When you consciously dissolve the diference, then the possibility of creating a diference again, is Only your choice, not anymore a compulsion.

But when you can not dissolve the superglue you have all over yourself, when your body is removed of you (death) Guess what, you Will attach yourself to anything similar to your glue again in seconds. 

The "glue" is the karmic configuration of the Creation that you picked Up from the start, and it has been the way of determining your incarnations until now.

Which is why dissolving It means ending the cycles for your Existence

It is permanent and forever, because we are talking about dissolving The very ingredient that stucked you to the wheel of Creation. 

It is because of the glue that your human Life started in the first place.

No karma = no Life. 

Liberation means end of Life. Fortunately for you, you are not even Life. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Javfly33

[Someone here]

@r0ckyreed

 Guys ..the dude is making a simple logical point ..Here is A little thought experiment..:

You don't experience time when you are sleeping. Hours pass and to you it feels like nothing.

What If you slept for 5000 years or died during that time and then woke up.?... From your pov it will be as a blink of an eye. No time has passed from your pov. Yet 5000 years have passed on earth.  Even an eternity can pass on earth and the entire world might end.. Yet from your pov it will be as a blink of an eye.   

This means time has no existence and no relevance without you. Without an observer that feels time. That's why when you die the whole world will die with you. Because the whole of eternity will happen in a blink of an eye. This takes us to the topic of soli****🥶

 

[Someone here]

@Javfly33 got news for you buddy ..you aint going nowhere..you will never die as consciousness (not as Javfly33). Yes you can destroy all forms. But you cannot destroy the formless..because its already no thing and no where. ALREADY! 

[James123]

45 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

Me being reborn is inevitable because of Eternity. I’ve already done it before. What makes you certain that birth won’t happen again, like a Phoenix rising from the ashes?

Do you know what being is?

[Hojo]

There is something very important sadhguru says that you must never say you can't die. He say they rub ash on themselves to remind themselves that they will die. If you dont see what is happening and just logically come to a conclusion you dont know what you are talking about and won't have the reaction needed to launch your soul into space via kundalini.

This planet is like a pressure cooker you need to cook yourself. Not logically but through fear of not knowing whats going to happen.

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[James123]

@Hojo shadguru says you can never born too. Therefore, can not die. 

[Hojo]

@James123 You can't die but your body can. You saying i can't die is saying this body dosent exist denying your own existence and wasting your time. The body will die and you will lose everything you thought you had. You need to pressure cook yourself to see that you cant die if its just logically concluded you didn't cook yourself. Essentially hit 0 energy then go infinite 

Edited 9 hours ago by Hojo

[Kuba Powiertowski]

I have noticed that bringing up the subject of reincarnation arouses almost as much excitement among forum members as endless solipsistic debates. In the case of reincarnation, however, one can sense a distinct resistance to even considering such a possibility among some participants. In conversations with Christian friends, it is similar. Very interesting and funny. Well, it is better to return to nothingness than to reincarnate into the experience of being a small, fat girl with Down syndrome, acne-prone skin and an unpleasant smell of sweat, isn't it? The subject of reincarnation can be an interesting instrument for measuring our current attachment to form, identification with it, and our openess to infinity of existence with its infinite ways of experiencing itself. It showes us where we really are on our journey.

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@James123 You can't die but your body can. You saying i can't die is saying this body dosent exist denying your own existence and wasting your time. The body will die and you will lose everything you thought you had. You need to pressure cook yourself to see that you cant die if its just logically concluded you didn't cook yourself. Essentially hit 0 energy then go infinite 

Meditation is helpful the surrender the body while alive.

[Javfly33]

6 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@James123 You can't die but your body can. You saying i can't die is saying this body dosent exist denying your own existence and wasting your time. The body will die and you will lose everything you thought you had. You need to pressure cook yourself to see that you cant die if its just logically concluded you didn't cook yourself.

Yeap, try to stay 2 minutes without Breathing, now...forget eternity, lets say you reeincarnate, is everyone ready to be without Breathing for 8, 80, 800 years? 😂😂😂

People dont realize when you lose the body you are losing the ability to Breath too. 

Edited 9 hours ago by Javfly33