On "Automatic Love"

[El Rio]

7 hours ago, Ar_Senses said:

  Quote

"Simply put, my Mind is more beautiful than yours"

Perhaps any one mind is not "more beautiful" than any other (isn't everything the same thing...or no thing?), but just more evolved at a given point.

 

But honestly, why let shit like this bug you? Look around the world, billions of beautiful people mostly living an insane existence destroying their very environment due to the ignorance of human and cultural development. In other words, "pig minds".

Don't take yourself too seriously. And don't take Leo too seriously.

 

[Schizophonia]

9 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

👽 so much of what I do is in extreme ways

 

-Me in 2k20: "I'm too obsessive 😕"

 

-God : Lollz

Throws what seems to be a human being on Schizophonia*

 

-"🤔..."

 

-The unknown human being : "🤔

...

🤗

...

👽 "

Starts eating some stupid Scandinavian pastry made with pig's blood*

 

-"..."

 

-"Okay  👽 "

 

-"🤔..."

 

-"Lol

...

Good

...

Ok

...

👍

👽

"

 

-"Mhhh, yes, let's do it like this 🤷"

Takes the big otter full of prolactin on his shoulder like a piece of furniture and leaves*

 

@NoSelfSelf : "You're not a male, a real men has keep his girlfriend on a leash"

 

-Me : "OH BUT FUCKING CROA..."

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22 by Schizophonia

[Sandhu]

He sometimes speak poetically and metaphorically. By these type of posts, his aim isn't to shame people less-developed but to point out obvious shortcomings of people that they should be working on. You should never take it as personal criticism. Take it as pointings or guidance and try to read between the lines.

Edited November 21 by Sandhu

[Loveeee]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It was meant as a cheeky taunt.

But I hear what you're saying and I don't like that it has that affect on you. So I will tone it down.

Thanks for the feedback.

Ugh please don't there's already plenty of washed out spirituality out there for people who can't handle it 

[Nemra]

No one got what the OP was saying.

[Razard86]

10 hours ago, Ar_Senses said:

@Leo Gura What's the need to put it this way?

I love you so much and appreciate your work and what it's done for me. There's not even a week, where i'm not having some form of gratitude towards you since your work became an entering point for my own Life Purpose and deep dive into self-development, service to others, healthy relationships and friendship.

But man, i sometimes feeling myself like a Kanye fan, who find himself in the constant endeavour to excuse and explain him to himself and to others.

Maybe you're watching too much of the examples of very stupid people or maybe there's some beatiful meaning you've put into choosing this way of articulating your thoughts and motivating your audience.

But I just wanna remind you from the other side - it hurts. It hurts not because it's truth. I have no problem admit to myself that my mind is far away from being a masterpiece.

There was a time in my life, where all you rude and critical words and tone turned into internal self-criticism, as if there's a little Leo, who's saying "You're not enough!" in all your favorite way to put it. And it took time for me to unwind myself from that.

I'm following you already for 10 years and I went from lost 19 y.o. towards quite decent and mature 29 human being. There's a value which i've got from you, that many people can't get from a 100's of lifes. So with that said i wish you consider my point with the respect and gratitude you expressed via some of your recent videos.

Can you please stop talking with me (your audience), as if I'm a fucking host for a "pig mind" who's lack of vision will leaves him ugly-minded for eternity?

Just so you know:

- Such claims of yours at some points of my life made me very self-hating due to my immaturity and inability to cut off you very unloving tone

- Sometimes they turned me against regular people with the thoughts like "Hah, of course his not speaking about me, he's speaking about "those stupid under-developed egoistic surviving conventional squares"

Now i prefer to relate to that type of behaviour from your part as flaw of yours, which is okay and i still appreciate you very-very much. 

I'm not asking to sugar-coat everything. Im asking you to consider the damage that you're doing. You're in position of power. You're in the risk to abuse that power and excuse yourself. You're surrounded by enough worshippers to feel yourself excused.

With love and respect,

Arsen

A lot of people on the forum don't know about Leo's playful side. He has a blunt part of his personality. I admit it can be cringe sometimes but I got that same part in my personality so I understand it. It actually helps when doing deconstruction because it puts you in a no holds barred mindset.

[Quader]

If Leo told people that based on some piece on information it would lead to self actualization and enlightenment he'd be a fraud. He plainly puts the onus on you. That's the information he's trying to share. If he tells you you've found it you won't even begin to search. 

[AION]

“Do not give that which is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, for they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."

One of my favorite maxims when dealing with dumb people.

Edited November 22 by AION

[lostingenosmaze]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It was meant as a cheeky taunt.

But I hear what you're saying and I don't like that it has that affect on you. So I will tone it down.

Thanks for the feedback.

Lol this is so unlike you Leo. I thought you value Truth. Why bend it to protect a single person's feefees?

[Yimpa]

8 minutes ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Lol this is so unlike you Leo. I thought you value Truth. Why bend it to protect a single person's feefees?

To value truth is to also value falsehood. He made a quote about that a while ago. That, or I am deluded and making shit up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

[Princess Arabia]

6 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Lol this is so unlike you Leo. I thought you value Truth. Why bend it to protect a single person's feefees?

Where is the bending of Truth in this case. It's also Truth. Truth isn't some notion of what one thinks is the case or should be the case, Truth is that which is the case. So, him saying what he said is also Truth.

You have some preconceived notion in the mind what you think Leo is like and have created your version of him; then when he says something that contradicts that, you say it's unlike him. Nah, it's unlike the version of him that you've created. Leo can't be any other way than Leo, no matter what comes out of his mouth.

[Joshe]

I assume Leo has enough self-awareness to not be getting high on putting himself above others or demeaning them. 

I interpret his words like "Hey, I'm playing this game and crushing it... what are you doing? Are you gonna crush it too, because you can if you want?" 

I see it as a call upwards, not an attack or arrogance. But IDK Leo personally, so maybe there are aspects about him I'm not aware of. I just give him the benefit of the doubt that he's not engaging in petty ego stuff. 

If this is correct, it seems a lot of people project their insecurities onto him.

Maybe this style resonates most with A-type personalities who have high self-confidence and self-efficacy. I prefer to be surrounded by people more developed than myself because it's the best thing for growth. If they taunt or tease me about something I want to excel in but I'm making errors or have stagnated, it can strengthen my resolve and remind me of my values and vision and make me want to increase my efforts. 

That's how I've always rationalized Leo's seeming arrogance—as a call upwards. 

Edited November 22 by Joshe

[Leo Gura]

9 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

Lol this is so unlike you Leo. I thought you value Truth. Why bend it to protect a single person's feefees?

I value not using truth to hurt others.

[Ar_Senses]

On 21.11.2024 at 8:45 PM, Leo Gura said:

It was meant as a cheeky taunt.

But I hear what you're saying and I don't like that it has that affect on you. So I will tone it down.

Thanks for the feedback.

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I value not using truth to hurt others.

@Leo Gura I was a bit afraid that you'll asnwer to me in the way which will make me more distant from you. But your answers made me feel even more respect towards you. Thank you for being such a good and rare leader as you are. Your ability to value the Truth, Creativity and Kindness are those which made me a human being that I'm nowadays. And i love me very much. I'm thankful to you for that and probably will be till the end of my days.

Wish you all the best!

Edited November 22 by Ar_Senses

[Ar_Senses]

@r0ckyreed @NoSelfSelf @El Rio I feel like you guys can gather some wisdom from @Joshe on how to speek for yourself without strawmanning, unsolicited advices and couch psychoanlysis of a human being based on his forum-post.

Such a comments like yours are the main reason why I keep myself away from that forum. I feel like your presence here, in this discussion, is mostly self-serving. It wasn't even about you. But you still somehow found that your opinions and interpretations are valueble and needed. Go try such behaviour in real life conversation with a confident man and you'll probably relaize some valueble Truths about yourself and the consequences of your actions real fast.

I know, it's much easier to be that way online, but i dare you to practice that offline and witness some reality.

If a moderator can allow himself this kind of behavior, I don't even want to know what's going on among the regulars.

Edited November 22 by Ar_Senses

[Leo Gura]

32 minutes ago, Ar_Senses said:

@Leo Gura I was a bit afraid that you'll asnwer to me in the way which will make me more distant from you. But your answers made me feel even more respect towards you. Thank you for being such a good and rare leader as you are. Your ability to value the Truth, Creativity and Kindness are those which made me a human being that I'm nowadays. And i love me very much. I'm thankful to you for that and probably will be till the end of my days.

Wish you all the best!

[Loveeee]

Fuck that where is radical Leo

[NoSelfSelf]

38 minutes ago, Ar_Senses said:

@r0ckyreed @NoSelfSelf @El Rio I feel like you guys can gather some wisdom from @Joshe on how to speek for yourself without strawmanning, unsolicited advices and couch psychoanlysis of a human being based on his forum-post.

Such a comments like yours are the main reason why I keep myself away from that forum. I feel like your presence here, in this discussion, is mostly self-serving. It wasn't even about you. But you still somehow found that your opinions and interpretations are valueble and needed. Go try such behaviour in real life conversation with a confident man and you'll probably relaize some valueble Truths about yourself and the consequences of your actions real fast.

I know, it's much easier to be that way online, but i dare you to practice that offline and witness some reality.

If a moderator can allow himself this kind of behavior, I don't even want to know what's going on among the regulars.

I should be punished for making you feel this way by just expressing myself.

[Ar_Senses]

On 21.11.2024 at 11:55 PM, NoSelfSelf said:

If you had a beautiful mind then you wouldnt take an offense that's the point.

And the mind will never be beautiful if you worship someone else.

Simple as that.

You identified yourself as average and Leo as your Father figure.

At some point you should hear someone say most disturbing things to you, but because you know yourself so much you will just look at it like huh? interesting, and go about your day.That's when you know you really on some self development progress...prior to that its just navigating the woods stage(refrence to heros journey)..

@NoSelfSelf now you’re being passive-aggressive.
Men, just admit how preachy you are without me asking you about it and how instead of speaking about yourself and your experience, you’re decided to speak about me, who I’m, what’s up with me and what should I do.

If you cover your way of speaking with other being with such an excuse like “oh, I was just expressing myself, don’t be so touchy”, then your words and perspective that you’ve shared becoming even less valuable.

I get it. It’s hard to be accountable and it’s easy and pleasurable to preach and to put yourself above as if you’re somehow in the position of teaching me without asking. But if you’ll be disrespectful like that in your way of expressing yourself I don’t see any way there can be a real meaningful connection between us.

I’m sure, if you’ve putted this in other, more caring respectful language, your signal to noise ratio would be much higher.

And of course, you can continue to weakening my point and gaslight with all that “it’s your ego which on the way to understand me”, “if you’d be more developed you’d not cared”, etc.

But since you don’t know me, who I’m and where I’m in my development, why’d you’ll not suggest that I’m developed enough to even ask Leo to consider the damage his doing with his tone?

Are you noticing how the guy who taught you and gave you that platform reacted?

Hope you’ll find it useful. 

Edited November 23 by Ar_Senses

[NoSelfSelf]

1 hour ago, Ar_Senses said:

@NoSelfSelf now you’re being passive-aggressive.
Men, just admit how preachy you are without me asking you about it and how instead of speaking about yourself and your experience, you’re decided to speak about me, who I’m, what’s up with me and what should I do.

If you cover your way of speaking with other being with such an excuse like “oh, I was just expressing myself, don’t be so touchy”, then your words and perspective that you’ve shared becoming even less valuable.

I get it. It’s hard to be accountable and it’s easy and pleasurable to preach and to put yourself above as if you’re somehow in the position of teaching me without asking. But if you’ll be disrespectful like that in your way of expressing yourself I don’t see any way there can be a real meaningful connection between us.

I’m sure, if you’ve putted this in other, more caring respectful language, your signal to noise ratio would be much higher.

And of course, you can continue to weakening my point and gaslight with all that “it’s your ego which on the way to understand me”, “if you’d be more developed you’d not cared”, etc.

But since you don’t know me, who I’m and where I’m in my development, why’d you’ll not suggest that I’m developed enough to even ask Leo to consider the damage his doing with his tone?

Are you noticing how the guy who taught you and gave you that platform reacted?

Hope you’ll find it useful. 

Never talked to this much sensitivity its my first time,so excuse me.