On "Automatic Love"

[Ar_Senses]

@Leo Gura What's the need to put it this way?

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"Simply put, my Mind is more beautiful than yours"

The typical human has pig-mind. It doesn’t have to be that way. That is your choice.

You lack vision for what your mind can be. You never even considered this possibility."

I love you so much and appreciate your work and what it's done for me. There's not even a week, where i'm not having some form of gratitude towards you since your work became an entering point for my own Life Purpose and deep dive into self-development, service to others, healthy relationships and friendship.

But man, i sometimes feeling myself like a Kanye fan, who find himself in the constant endeavour to excuse and explain him to himself and to others.

Maybe you're watching too much of the examples of very stupid people or maybe there's some beatiful meaning you've put into choosing this way of articulating your thoughts and motivating your audience.

But I just wanna remind you from the other side - it hurts. It hurts not because it's truth. I have no problem admit to myself that my mind is far away from being a masterpiece.

There was a time in my life, where all you rude and critical words and tone turned into internal self-criticism, as if there's a little Leo, who's saying "You're not enough!" in all your favorite way to put it. And it took time for me to unwind myself from that.

I'm following you already for 10 years and I went from lost 19 y.o. towards quite decent and mature 29 human being. There's a value which i've got from you, that many people can't get from a 100's of lifes. So with that said i wish you consider my point with the respect and gratitude you expressed via some of your recent videos.

Can you please stop talking with me (your audience), as if I'm a fucking host for a "pig mind" who's lack of vision will leaves him ugly-minded for eternity?

Just so you know:

- Such claims of yours at some points of my life made me very self-hating due to my immaturity and inability to cut off you very unloving tone

- Sometimes they turned me against regular people with the thoughts like "Hah, of course his not speaking about me, he's speaking about "those stupid under-developed egoistic surviving conventional squares"

Now i prefer to relate to that type of behaviour from your part as flaw of yours, which is okay and i still appreciate you very-very much. 

I'm not asking to sugar-coat everything. Im asking you to consider the damage that you're doing. You're in position of power. You're in the risk to abuse that power and excuse yourself. You're surrounded by enough worshippers to feel yourself excused.

With love and respect,

Arsen

[Leo Gura]

It was meant as a cheeky taunt.

But I hear what you're saying and I don't like that it has that affect on you. So I will tone it down.

Thanks for the feedback.

[r0ckyreed]

This is just ego backlash. The point of this work is to understand reality and deconstruct your ego mind. 

It’s just words on a screen. Buddhism even teaches you that all suffering is self-created. I didn’t get offended by it. Why are you? Maybe it’s because you hold Leo on a pedestal and view his perspective as absolute. Maybe this is why you feel the need to explain Leo’s behaviors.

If you hold the perspective that everything Leo says is a perspective, then it shouldn’t matter what he writes. That’s like being offended from reading the Book of Mormon. You don’t get offended from that because you don’t care about it and the opinion of the author. 

Likewise, this is just another perspective that you can choose to take personally.

I really liked Leo’s blog post on thinking for yourself. It is inspiring. The results I have noticed is that I have less of a care of others’ opinions and have no desire to change them. However, if someone is being an ass, I will point it out to them, but I just accept that the world is full of ignorant and intelligent people.

When You are aware of the impermanence of all things and you know that everyone and yourself is going to die, you stop being ruled by petty things.

You are letting Leo’s words have power of your mind. Stop it. Don’t let mine have power of yours either. This journey is long, but You got this man. 

Edited 12 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[Quest]

7 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

This is just ego backlash. The point of this work is to understand reality and deconstruct your ego mind. 

It’s just words on a screen. Buddhism even teaches you that all suffering is self-created. I didn’t get offended by it. Why are you? Maybe it’s because you hold Leo on a pedestal and view his perspective as absolute. Maybe this is why you feel the need to explain Leo’s behaviors.

If you hold the perspective that everything Leo says is a perspective, then it shouldn’t matter what he writes. That’s like being offended from reading the Book of Mormon. You don’t get offended from that because you don’t care about it and the opinion of the author. 

Likewise, this is just another perspective that you can choose to take personally.

I really liked Leo’s blog post on thinking for yourself. It is inspiring. The results I have noticed is that I have less of a care of others’ opinions and have no desire to change them. However, if someone is being an ass, I will point it out to them, but I just accept that the world is full of ignorant and intelligent people.

When You are aware of the impermanence of all things and you know that everyone and yourself is going to die, you stop being ruled by petty things.

You are letting Leo’s words have power of your mind. Stop it. Don’t let mine have power of yours either. This journey is long, but You got this man. 

Could you link to the blog post?

Edited 12 hours ago by Quest

[Nemra]

3 hours ago, Ar_Senses said:

There was a time in my life, where all you rude and critical words and tone turned into internal self-criticism, as if there's a little Leo, who's saying "You're not enough!" in all your favorite way to put it. And it took time for me to unwind myself from that.

I can relate to that.

[Sugarcoat]

4 hours ago, Ar_Senses said:

Simply put, my Mind is more beautiful than yours"

The typical human has pig-mind. It doesn’t have to be that way. That is your choice.

You lack vision for what your mind can be. You never even considered this possibility.

I mean… he isn’t wrong. 

[Schizophonia]

8 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

I mean… he isn’t wrong. 

Why ?

[Sugarcoat]

1 minute ago, Schizophonia said:

Why ?

From having once spent a summer watching all of his videos I can tell he has a unique mind that is for sure more beautiful than average . Not saying the average mind is bad though. 
 

Not fully sure what he means as mind though, if he means his thoughts or something else

Edited 11 hours ago by Sugarcoat

[Schizophonia]

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

From having once spent a summer watching all of his videos

Ah yeah that's true.

The Obsessive Alien eheh.

13 minutes ago, Sugarcoat said:

From having once spent a summer watching all of his videos I can tell he has a unique mind that is for sure more beautiful than average . Not saying the average mind is bad though. 
 

Not fully sure what he means as mind though, if he means his thoughts or something else

I see.

I like him a lot for his verbal fluency ; He has a very pleasant way to express himself, he is also very spiritually based.

He should enjoy himself in Europe, there are many people with a similar psyche here.

I feel like americans looks less refined and more delusional in general that most of people on the world.

Everyone is different but "in general".

Edited 11 hours ago by Schizophonia

[Sugarcoat]

11 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Ah yeah that's true.

The Obsessive Alien eheh.

I see.

I like him a lot for his verbal fluency ; He has a very pleasant way to express himself, he is also very spiritually based.

He should enjoy himself in Europe, there are many people with a similar psyche here.

I feel like americans looks less refined and more delusional in general that most of people on the world.

Everyone is different but "in general".

👽 so much of what I do is in extreme ways

 

I like him for that too. I wouldn’t agree that much on the Europe thing, I think Leo is exceptional wherever he goes and will struggle to find likeminded anywhere. I don’t know if there’s a significant difference between Americans and Europeans in terms of development 

[Francis777]

@Leo Gura I appreciate you making that blog post, It's made me think that teaching people this "artistry of mind" as oppose to "mastery of mind" might be my niche. I discovered it and can access it extremely deeply through music as well, to the point where I cant even really listen to music anymore for any extended periods of time without falling deeply into it. Its a state of blissful, hyperactive intuitive creative love. Its the main reason I do spirituality, I live for these states.

Do you know of anyone that already teaches this distinction?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Francis777 said:

Do you know of anyone that already teaches this distinction?

Nope

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It was meant as a cheeky taunt.

But I hear what you're saying and I don't like that it has that affect on you. So I will tone it down.

Thanks for the feedback.

You are forgiven. 

Now, I was contemplating about the post that Humans are Epistemogical Pigs. 

So the magic question is : How to built a epistemology of a more advanced being than a Pig, not even a human, but an Alien. Alien Epistemology.

???

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

You are forgiven. 

Now, I was contemplating about the post that Humans are Epistemogical Pigs. 

So the magic question is : How to built a epistemology of a more advanced being than a Pig, not even a human, but an Alien. Alien Epistemology.

???

 

You don't need alien epistemology, you just need to do human epistemology properly and then alien domains of mind will become accessible.

Edited 9 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Majed]

@Rafael Thundercat contemplate everything

[NoSelfSelf]

If you had a beautiful mind then you wouldnt take an offense that's the point.

And the mind will never be beautiful if you worship someone else.

Simple as that.

You identified yourself as average and Leo as your Father figure.

At some point you should hear someone say most disturbing things to you, but because you know yourself so much you will just look at it like huh? interesting, and go about your day.That's when you know you really on some self development progress...prior to that its just navigating the woods stage(refrence to heros journey)..

Edited 9 hours ago by NoSelfSelf

[Rafael Thundercat]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't need alien epistemology, you just need to do human epistemology properly and then alien domains of mind will become accessible.

Sound like a good CheatCode to the Game.

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't need alien epistemology, you just need to do human epistemology properly and then alien domains of mind will become accessible

Using Claude 3.5 to generate epistemic questions is allowed in the game? 

I asked it to compose some original questions of Meta-Epistemology questioning about the very nature of getting knowledge since Knower and Knowledge are one Mind. 

Here is the suggestions:

 Let me compose some deep meta-epistemological questions that probe the paradoxical nature of knowledge and consciousness reflecting upon itself:

1. If all knowledge arises within consciousness, how can consciousness evaluate the reliability of its own knowing process? Isn't this like trying to use a ruler to measure its own accuracy?

2. When we claim to "know that we know something," what is the nature of that second-order knowledge? Is it fundamentally different from first-order knowledge of objects and facts?

3. If the knower and the known are ultimately aspects of one mind, does this unity invalidate or validate our claims to knowledge? Does the collapse of the subject-object divide make knowledge impossible or make it more intimate and certain?

4. How can we be certain that our logical principles for validating knowledge aren't themselves conditioned by the structure of our consciousness in a way we can't detect or transcend?

5. When consciousness reflects on itself, is it truly gaining knowledge, or is it like a mirror trying to see itself - creating infinite regress without genuine insight?

6. If all experience, including our sense of knowing something, occurs within consciousness, how can we ever verify there's anything outside of consciousness to know?

7. Is the very concept of "objective knowledge" incoherent since any knowledge must be known by a subject and thus be inherently subjective?

8. When we say we "understand" something, what is the relationship between the understanding itself and our awareness of that understanding? Are they separable?

Would you like to explore any of these questions further? I find the paradox of consciousness attempting to understand itself through its own mechanisms particularly fascinating.

[AlienGeometry]

@Leo Gura But do you know how it is the alien epistemology?

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

13 minutes ago, AlienGeometry said:

@Leo Gura But do you know how it is the alien epistemology?

 

Alien Domains of Mind sound like the Pantajali concept of Sidhis. The descriptions sound really like Alien Powers. I experienced Telepaty many times. And Seein the Future