Incorporatin Paradox into Consciousness

[kavaris]

Is it even worth bringin up the notion of everything fluctuating, this violent sea of of it trying to become onething/different things, to sustain the sense of coherent things happening in working order, and ultimately, that we cant become one if it means experiencing two, or however you might word it... Is it even worth mentioning?... or is that crossing the line of communication rules? And in the same regard, do yous even take that into consideration and how do you think about it... I consider it a paradox, as like... its the mother wavelet of all other paradoxs that could ever come from it, so its like... iuno, maybe we need like... rules? or should it just be chaos, i dont mind either way, its always some level of pure chaos particles flingin every which way...nd i cant make heads or tails of em (i say that, cause theres somethin in that, that deforms to a chaotic event when you try to wrap your head around it... i just phrased it in a way that makes it sound like it makes sense) i know why things dont make sense, but theres a couple avenues where its like, you can bring it to the table, and theres a spectrum of avenues that descend deeper into like, "you are tryina create reality internally, so prolly best to not..." -typve thing. lol. well then.

[kavaris]

since ive already flung out an extra crazy message, i mine as well continue on what i was tryina say... as i recalled this thing that lsd, etc. did... and that is, understanding how the mind has the ability to fall/throw up — say — *over there* on the other side of the room.. which represents the "current experience", and anything that already happened is being blacked-out in a sense, leading to these gaps or deep striations in the experience overall — but more importantly, the current experience always feels super duper *in the moment*... and so... i thought it would be a neat experiment to take experience in that direction, just to see if its possible, and what the effects are... i seem to recall life attempting to like... fall to pieces right behind me... but i mean, it might be a good thing if everything is stagnant... like i feel like we are all one, and we aint even one yet. its just cause - nothins movin, like a constepation... its like the 10 year constepation on earth, possibly on alien planets as well.

[Razard86]

I like calling it a contradiction cause it can be explained. The explanation is....its an NON APPEARING/INVISIBLE MIND, that imagines/hallucinates/dreams, everything into existence. It has no definitive identity, as a result it can create unlimited identities which it uses to communicate to itself. The moment it imagines, it creates a SELF, but its true nature....is it exists before it imagines itself as a SELF. Once it imagines itself as a SELF, it experiences itself as that SELF and then eventually it imagines another SELF.....and it does this for eternity. 

Its an eternal dreamer.

[kavaris]

@Razard86 thats profound. even though its such a simple idea. i  justnever really saw it from enough angles before to see this eternal, fractal dreamer dreaming -concept that you point out.

[Razard86]

5 minutes ago, kavaris said:

@Razard86 thats profound. even though its such a simple idea. i  justnever really saw it from enough angles before to see this eternal, fractal dreamer dreaming -concept that you point out.

Yeah the scary thing is God's power can make ANYTHING REAL. The traditional HELL doesn't exist....but you can reach a state of consciousness where you can imagine it into existence. God's power is beautiful, but it can actually be scary as hell because it is limitless and non judgmental. This is why it is important to train yourself to only entertain thoughts and content you can handle. 

Your human vessel would hate to access God's power and imagine a Hell Realm. That would be truly scary. 

[James123]

@Razard86 the real question is what is god? How do even know that there is a god, have you seen it, talk to it, experience it? Even if you do, how can you be sure that, that's is not an illusion?

God is an illusion within the illusion.

[kavaris]

@Razard86 i think the reason i saw a flash of its profundity, was because of what comes prior to thoughts, or decisions, etc. this notion that *i* or 'we' for the sake of argument, are assuming theres a "direction", like... We lookat the "most straightforward" way, as being that which we've arived at... except that, actually, in a multi directional landscape, creation can be happening from any direction. Creation can therefore, be happening *prior to*, some idea of what direction we have set foot on, as reality is like this "creation myth" at the fundamental level, this pantheon of divine beings that represents a larger notion...

[kavaris]

@James123 and the 'god' we might say is like this, prior creation, that is like the direction we didnt take, and anything we didnt take with us, is then behind us, kindve spooking us... like... if you were to mythologically turn around too quickly, its like, "whah, what was that...", then you continue on, and realize, "oh, i saw it from the *behind* direction that i never took -direction". therefore, the directions we arrive at, are at the posterior... as a highly refined split of the like... the wholly separated act of splitting it in the first place. And so its like, an interesting idea, this 'whole', this thing that potentially doesnt look or feel like anything, due to it being in such a spectrum of explanation that it satisfies both halves of the pear we're looking at...

[James123]

5 minutes ago, kavaris said:

the wholly separated act of splitting it in the first place.

If it has never happened and Happening is an illusion?

[kavaris]

@James123 Thats an interesting question/continuation. im not sure how to get beyonder the question... perhaps it is like, the shadow land of what can be felt and communicated? unless you know what comes next... i just wonder what the mind convinced feels... like, okay, its sortve faced with this truth, that it not only anticipates but then that is like, seeping into the experience, in such ways that it collapses the senses, as often... like in a meditation, theres a wall between the senses, and getting them to this light source... as lots of baggage is being hulled and its like... totally confused as to what that baggage is like, "Sir, your bringing all 3 million things with you on the boat to atlantis, and we only accept 0.0001% of a decision/anticipation" ... okay, lol ive gone full nuts i see this now.

[James123]

2 minutes ago, kavaris said:

@James123 Thats an interesting question/continuation. im not sure how to get beyonder the question... perhaps it is like, the shadow land of what can be felt and communicated? unless you know what comes next... i just wonder what the mind convinced feels... like, okay, its sortve faced with this truth, that it not only anticipates but then that is like, seeping into the experience, in such ways that it collapses the senses, as often... like in a meditation, theres a wall between the senses, and getting them to this light source... as lots of baggage is being hulled and its like... totally confused as to what that baggage is like, "Sir, your bringing all 3 million things with you on the boat to atlantis, and we only accept 0.0001% of a decision/anticipation" ... okay, lol ive gone full nuts i see this now.

Hahahahaha. You are a funny guy brother. Love you.

Moreover, during the meditation (long sitting) those senses and feelings collapses and you come to point that you even forget the sitting time as there is no mind there . Maybe that's non experiencing?

[Razard86]

20 hours ago, James123 said:

@Razard86 the real question is what is god? How do even know that there is a god, have you seen it, talk to it, experience it? Even if you do, how can you be sure that, that's is not an illusion?

God is an illusion within the illusion.

God is an Absolutely TRUE ILLUSION, you haven't become aware of God because your ego keeps denying its existence. Also yes I have spoken to God, anyone can speak to God...if they are willing to lose their mind.

You are God telling yourself you don't exist, and thus you block yourself from ever discovering it. Eventually you will when you die as a human.

Edited Thursday at 10:17 PM by Razard86

[kavaris]

Its just that, reality is assimilated, crystal form by default, seeing as it has to harken back to something each time... even aswe dream, ourcrystal self is like... well obviously its a dream *because* there is a crystal form present—that we know is wat happen by default... default is maybe the wrong word... its wat happens when we are born into *nothing*... and so, we create a default... And i say this to establish why.. why its like, not flowing, becoming, living, breathing, loving, etc.. and ultimately why we are having difficulty getting beyonder the point, see... we have a (stuck in an old pattern) solidification problem. of course, its quite different from like a "routine" ... routines can be replaced.. this is like, we are (or atleast i am) new to the world of, "what do you want, is now", and "hurry up cause u are creating a bajillion trillion unbeknownst, unconsciously/subconscious.... (lets just use the word subconcious to refer to anything that isnt at the forefront of the conscious one... less terms, easier to communicate)

[kavaris]

also, i misconceived the point, which was to bring the "paradox" back into the equation (fron the above explanation) but it gives you an opportunity to do so.

p.s. maybe thats one perspective/query itself, like... "working paradox into the equation...", as a header instead of a footnote... as a conceptual anterior object to let everything else fall against when it all comes into question... this is more so just a stray hair, experiment/idea to throw out into the air and play with, nevertheless its an interesting thought, such as having a question as a means of building other things around, and what sortve cosmological relevance it has in the grand drama of things.

Edited Thursday at 11:57 PM by kavaris

[James123]

2 hours ago, Razard86 said:

God is an Absolutely TRUE ILLUSION, you haven't become aware of God because your ego keeps denying its existence. Also yes I have spoken to God, anyone can speak to God...if they are willing to lose their mind.

You are God telling yourself you don't exist, and thus you block yourself from ever discovering it. Eventually you will when you die as a human.

İf it is an illusion, it is not the absolutely Truth. 

What you are telling is just a nice made story. 

Fundamentally, You can not spoke to god (probably you use pychedelics, I did many times too and be / spoke the so called God, that's what so called insight is). 

You can only Be God, because God is nothing. 

[Razard86]

23 hours ago, James123 said:

@Razard86 the real question is what is god? How do even know that there is a god, have you seen it, talk to it, experience it? Even if you do, how can you be sure that, that's is not an illusion?

God is an illusion within the illusion.

There you go trying to use logic. Infinity is perfect duality, that means it is perfectly opposite. What is an illusion? An illusion is something that is not consistent. God is consistently non consistent. The non consistency is change, and change happens because its temporary. This is the world of form. This form, is an appearance. All appearance is illusion. Why is it an illusion? Because it is actually formless. Form can only change because it is formless. This formless is NOTHING. Absolutely Nothing. The world of form calls nothing, a lie. Because nothing is invisible. The secret is the visible is MADE OF INVISIBLE.

Try to make sense of that? How can the substance of everything be invisible? Because its nothing. This is why Reality is a miracle, its pure magic, and why its mysterious and why it cannot be harmed, and it cannot die, and it has no beginning and no end. But the kicker is this nothing...is intelligent, sentient, aware of itself, and pure love.

See if you can notice the magic in this video.

 

Edited Friday at 01:04 AM by Razard86

[James123]

8 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

There you go trying to use logic. Infinity is perfect duality, that means it is perfectly opposite. What is an illusion? An illusion is something that is not consistent. God is consistently non consistent. The non consistency is change, and change happens because its temporary. This is the world of form. This form, is an appearance. All appearance is illusion. Why is it an illusion? Because it is actually formless. Form can only change because it is formless. This formless is NOTHING. Absolutely Nothing. The world of form calls nothing, a lie. Because nothing is invisible. The secret is the visible is MADE OF INVISIBLE.

Try to make sense of that? How can the substance of everything be invisible? Because its nothing. This is why Reality is a miracle, its pure magic, and why its mysterious and why it cannot be harmed, and it cannot die, and it has no beginning and no end. But the kicker is this nothing...is intelligent, sentient, aware of itself, and pure love.

See if you can notice the magic in this video.

 

How are you sure? You call that experience god, and I might call that experience as chicken. 

God can not be experience, because experience is based on personal opinion. 

God can only Be. Because, there is no experience, experienced or experiencer there. Therefore, it is the absolute Truth for anyone and everyone.

By the way I watched the video, but it is not a pencil maybe? Hoe do you know, fundamentally know that there is such thing as pencil? You learned from human beings. 

Edited Friday at 01:12 AM by James123

[Razard86]

39 minutes ago, James123 said:

How are you sure? You call that experience god, and I might call that experience as chicken. 

God can not be experience, because experience is based on personal opinion. 

God can only Be. Because, there is no experience, experienced or experiencer there. Therefore, it is the absolute Truth for anyone and everyone.

By the way I watched the video, but it is not a pencil maybe? Hoe do you know, fundamentally know that there is such thing as pencil? You learned from human beings. 

God is everything, all opposites unified.

[James123]

1 hour ago, Razard86 said:

intelligent, sentient, aware of itself, and pure love.

This is your god definition.

59 minutes ago, Razard86 said:

God is everything, all opposites unified.

So, according to you, god is everything. Therefore, hater, not intelligent and unaware you are contradicting yourself.

[kavaris]

I just look at it as a point of no return, a paradox to language, and to reality. Wherein the paradox is the pantheon of all gods and conceptions of things that are like... creation myths, and other sorts of places and things we cannot name smoothly, without contradiction. that we cannot, try as we might, to communicate, but that are on the tip of our tongue... this drawing, this leonardo da vinci painting that hangs and transforms into a world of characters... its like, a dilemma that we stumble into. And we make all the mistakes to get here, and then its like... Dangit. Cause like.... its macrocosm, and a microcosm of things in our present awareness... a smaller reality that we (potentially, if yous are like me) pouring all your heart and soul into, as having made all the mistakes, its like... how many things must be conceived to make things right... that is, if we go in the direction of knowledge, interacting, participating in the knowledge experience, expending and expeling it — that in turn is reshaping/rewriting it such that it becomes the version that makes sense to you (a version now told in your unique language)

In the same way, we can look at "beingness", the first order of our relative experience, and sortve, draw conclusions on what the absolute is, perhaps playing it by rules of elimination to get there (or however we might try...) If we consider our imagination and all of our wild dreams, we work on life and this microcosm of creative thought, as a masterpiece, as the pure expression of our experience. We direct our attention to this "one", smaller reality of the macrocosm, conceptualizing, bringing the spirits together, spirits in a fractal of other spirits speaking through us. And, its like a header towards a more holistic place, albeit in a whirlwind of thought and confusion at times, it all ends up coming back to this one answer were trying to understand.

It starts in the imagination, but then (much like our being & development of identity) its realized to be this sortve smaller facet of a dream, one reality within another, predicated on the assurance that we have a self and some solid dream to spawn all others from. Thats a long winded tale to describe the multi directional landscape, with multiple decisions and directions to lead ourselves down. And some may not be the right way, but trusting the process helps. Trusting our gut/heart/body, and just, sticking it out, or doing what makes sense really, which could be anything... It could mean sacrificing yourself at the altar, like this epic greek drama where all the characters stab there heart through their chest somehow like, "curse you spirits of count dracula, i take my life for the spirits of the woods, Darla, who haunts me, who lives in a bubble dream. i meet you in death..". I find myself making a very simple hierarchy, and then those left or right directions dictate which way im gonna go creatively with decisions; or rather, they are subsets of the absolute—ruling all imagination absolutely. When you tap into that, which i only got to through writing so much that it became evident there needed to be sub categories of the absolute, else it was like... trying to catch a grain of sand floatin' through the air. As, all the "known" categories, dont really capture the sense of like, artistically having progressed and made it to something, since like... almost everything is like a guaranteed failure in the beginning, surely someone has to have gone crazy enough to be like, "hold on now... how are we tracking progress in this bitch...", so in that sense, the hierarchies are like, final stages towards the absolute. if that makes sense. it prolly doesnt. but i tried. - "im very confident in doubting everything".

*paradox included, your welcome*

Edited Friday at 01:27 PM by kavaris