Natural order vs artificial hierarchy

[Kuba Powiertowski]

The entire structure of the ego as a separate entity is based on the filament of artificial hierarchy - a completely contrary to nature, evaluation-comparative system. I will explain why hierarchy has nothing to do with natural order. Let's take, for example, the work of human hands - the combustion engine. The operation of the engine is based on a certain order that is the result of a logical process and each element of this process is equally important and plays its role. It has nothing to do with the hierarchy according to the ego, which makes a completely abstract valuation, assessment and comparison between the elements of existence. Without a hierarchy understood in this way, the structure of the ego collapses very quickly. I recommend trying it.

[Reciprocality]

Are there not parts in a combustion engine which are less essential than others? Does not some parts of the combustion itself emerge from other more homogenous or invariant parts that could produce many other emergent effects besides combustion?

Wouldn't you prefer to lose 2 fingers instead of 3? 1 hand instead of 2?

Weren't every word you expressed here distilled into the finest essence of things from thousands of years of linguistic evolution, implying hierarchy in the order of natural language? Natural order?

[Reciprocality]

@Kuba Powiertowski Which hierarchy is truly artificial? 

[Kuba Powiertowski]

@Reciprocality

Ok, let's take a 4-stroke internal combustion engine. Which part is less important in its construction: Cylinders? Pistons? Piston rings? Valves, bearings or maybe the crankshaft controlling the valve opening sequence? Or maybe the cooling system or the alternator charging the battery which supplies current to the coil so that it gives the ignition spark?

The above does not mean that physical processes are not exposed to failures, defects, and diseases. And of course, using logical reasoning, it is better to drive on 4 working cylinders than on 2 and it is better to lose an arm than a head.

Fuck again, either we pretend not to understand what we are talking about or we really do not understand. In this case, sorry, forgive me for being slightly irritated.

The artificial hierarchy that I want to talk about here is nothing more than the illusion of the ego's measurement, division, evaluation, comparison, subjective individual, unrepeatable qualities, used by the ego to position itself constantly, create comfortable narratives for it, to justify its actions or worldview. A good example of such artificial hierarchies are: the culturally diverse systems of values, moral assessments, ethical commands and prohibitions, etc. How constantly, all the time, subconsciously you position yourself in relation to others, you compare yourself to others using a whole range of assessments pulled out of a hat. Generally, this is the essence of what is called Maya in Sanskrit - the illusion of the ego's measurement, the artificial division of the world according to egoistic conditioning.

That's all I meant.

If we are to start a discussion now about what "artificial" means, then thank you, but I'm not interested.

And no offense - I'm having a hard time.

Peace Brother

[Reciprocality]

@Kuba Powiertowski It is understandable to be irritated when you don't believe your point have been received by those who respond to your post.

 

2 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

The artificial hierarchy that I want to talk about here is nothing more than the illusion of the ego's measurement, division, evaluation, comparison, subjective individual, unrepeatable qualities, used by the ego to position itself constantly, create comfortable narratives for it, to justify its actions or worldview. A good example of such artificial hierarchies are: the culturally diverse systems of values, moral assessments, ethical commands and prohibitions, etc. How constantly, all the time, subconsciously you position yourself in relation to others, you compare yourself to others using a whole range of assessments pulled out of a hat. Generally, this is the essence of what is called Maya in Sanskrit - the illusion of the ego's measurement, the artificial division of the world according to egoistic conditioning.

2 hours ago, Kuba Powiertowski said:

If we are to start a discussion now about what "artificial" means, then thank you, but I'm not interested.

I have no qualms with the premise that humans position themselves and evaluate and compare themselves with others in all sorts of ways, what I am questioning is what this implies about us, why it happens and whether it could fail to happen. I am thereby questioning how artificial human posturing and comparison really is, by hinting at the natural nature of some hierarchies such as the one that produces the words that are available to us at this moment.

There are many kinds of ways the ego could have been conditioned, and it were conditioned the way it were for analogous reasons to why others ego were conditioned the way their were, you appear to claim that these reasons are artificial without articulating the relationship between the concept of artificiality and these reasons/behaviours.

I am not asking for more information about hierarchies, but about the justification for the status of some being artificial, from which justification I would be better suited to evaluate whether the ego is properly separated.

I would also question how the ego could be a separated entity if the hierarchy on which it is based is conditioned on comparison between people, how separate is it if the concepts that compares it with others unifies them under one category?

[Reciprocality]

What if we investigate where the concepts and categories that compare people come from? Are they intelligible for others or are they entirely personal to us?

If these concepts are intelligible for others then they are universals, and if they are universal how could they be artificial?

Edit: if developmental processes leads to the concepts we possess and we possess the same concepts then this implies that we went through the same developmental processes. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Reciprocality