If You Voted For Trump or RFK, You Aren’t Awake

[What Am I]

8 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

Yeah. I've listened to enough of his 5-MeO experiences and even just pure explanations of reality to know he gets it. But he's so rich and famous now that he is losing his soul. It can happen to anyone 

Right, it's actually his 5-MeO-DMT and DMT breakthroughs that would give him a status above the average person in my mind, at least where temporary glimpses of transcendent consciousness are concerned. Anyone who's never experienced it just simply can't understand. But if you know, you know.

So he's at least touched on significant states of consciousness, even if he doesn't realize what he experienced. Most people live their whole lives in the dark without ever seeing beyond the mundane.

[trenton]

On 11/19/2024 at 4:34 PM, Leo Gura said:

They are here to remind you of who you will become if you don't take the work seriously, if you convince yourself that you already got it figured.

Do not assume that people who associate themselves with my work are actually doing the work. Many are not. They use the my work to deepen their self-deception.

@Leo Gura I would like to use this post as something to contemplate.

I did some of the work like doing the life purpose course and getting the book list. There are other things I likely don't do enough of. I don't want to fool myself into thinking I am advanced just because I listen to someone advanced.

I actually care about truth on some level, hence I do a lot of self education, researching, reading, analyzing and observing myself and developing insights, and so forth. Sometimes I question if I value the truth enough. I try to force myself not to be in denial wherever I can, but perhaps I can not simply will my way to the truth like I can't will my way out of depression.

There were times I used the ideas presented by you to form distorted views about politics and relationships such as my post about incest in which I tried to cover my shame around actual incest. Originally, I got into this work because spirituality and personal development gave me hope in creating a better life for myself. I became confused about my purpose because I wanted to be a professional chess player, but there was no clear path to achieve this. I was hoping to find a new purpose but I often still feel lost and confused.

That all said, I have a plan in place for changing my life. I came to this conclusion while in treatment for three months over mental health and medication issues. My family still denies they need mental help even though mom threatened suicide, so there is not much I can do for them.

After I move to Kentucky, I am going to set up a daily schedule along with annual goals. I want to explore a new career path in creative writing instead of chess. During this time I will be with the other side of the family with whom I have a healthier relationship. For work at the job I still hate, I will have around 25 hours a week to make sure I don't have constant and daily suicidal thoughts which still occur throughout the week. Unfortunately, no amount of therapy and antidepressant medication can solve This problem. This will also give me enough free time to work on myself and meet the annual goals, or likely surpass them. I plan to run this one year experiment to see if my life improves.

It was recommended that I continue therapy. I will try, but I have doubts. My therapists have recommended dating despite having severe depression. They think I am lonely and they want to challenge my OCD around the opposite sex because they think I would be a decent boyfriend despite my conflicted feelings about sex due to past incest and my fear of ending up like mom and dad in a dysfunctional hell hole from which I can't escape. I don't see how this solves the suicidal thoughts though.

Maybe one day I will realize I have no choice but to start my own business in order to have a decent living. You mentioned things like marketing in your wage slavery video. Living a passionless life with work you hate is too much suffering for me to bare. Maybe I have no choice but to do some other type of work I hate, but one which will make enough money for me to retire sooner so I can actually follow my passions and interests. As it stands my career interests are often impractical and complicated to actualize. This is part of where I got stuck in the life purpose course along with choosing a medium.

You can respond to this with any thoughts or suggestions if you want. It would be appreciated, but you're a busy guy, so it's not guaranteed.

[Yimpa]

@trenton I recommend making a new thread about what you just wrote. Beautifully written and deserves its own spotlight.

[trenton]

@Yimpa will do

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, trenton said:

@Leo Gura I would like to use this post as something to contemplate.

I did some of the work like doing the life purpose course and getting the book list. There are other things I likely don't do enough of. I don't want to fool myself into thinking I am advanced just because I listen to someone advanced.

I actually care about truth on some level, hence I do a lot of self education, researching, reading, analyzing and observing myself and developing insights, and so forth. Sometimes I question if I value the truth enough. I try to force myself not to be in denial wherever I can, but perhaps I can not simply will my way to the truth like I can't will my way out of depression.

There were times I used the ideas presented by you to form distorted views about politics and relationships such as my post about incest in which I tried to cover my shame around actual incest. Originally, I got into this work because spirituality and personal development gave me hope in creating a better life for myself. I became confused about my purpose because I wanted to be a professional chess player, but there was no clear path to achieve this. I was hoping to find a new purpose but I often still feel lost and confused.

That all said, I have a plan in place for changing my life. I came to this conclusion while in treatment for three months over mental health and medication issues. My family still denies they need mental help even though mom threatened suicide, so there is not much I can do for them.

After I move to Kentucky, I am going to set up a daily schedule along with annual goals. I want to explore a new career path in creative writing instead of chess. During this time I will be with the other side of the family with whom I have a healthier relationship. For work at the job I still hate, I will have around 25 hours a week to make sure I don't have constant and daily suicidal thoughts which still occur throughout the week. Unfortunately, no amount of therapy and antidepressant medication can solve This problem. This will also give me enough free time to work on myself and meet the annual goals, or likely surpass them. I plan to run this one year experiment to see if my life improves.

It was recommended that I continue therapy. I will try, but I have doubts. My therapists have recommended dating despite having severe depression. They think I am lonely and they want to challenge my OCD around the opposite sex because they think I would be a decent boyfriend despite my conflicted feelings about sex due to past incest and my fear of ending up like mom and dad in a dysfunctional hell hole from which I can't escape. I don't see how this solves the suicidal thoughts though.

Maybe one day I will realize I have no choice but to start my own business in order to have a decent living. You mentioned things like marketing in your wage slavery video. Living a passionless life with work you hate is too much suffering for me to bare. Maybe I have no choice but to do some other type of work I hate, but one which will make enough money for me to retire sooner so I can actually follow my passions and interests. As it stands my career interests are often impractical and complicated to actualize. This is part of where I got stuck in the life purpose course along with choosing a medium.

You can respond to this with any thoughts or suggestions if you want. It would be appreciated, but you're a busy guy, so it's not guaranteed.

It's challenging. Life is challenging. Just do your best.

Never forget that this work we do it really challenging. Which is why good people are so rare.

Edited yesterday at 04:11 AM by Leo Gura

[trenton]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

It's challenging. Life is challenging. Just do your best.

Thank you.

I did make a separate thread about this though. I am doing better about not beating myself up for not having this mess figured out.

[Tanz]

On 11/19/2024 at 11:22 AM, r0ckyreed said:

Who you vote for is a representation of your level of consciousness. You think Jesus or Gandhi would vote for Trump? Politics and spirituality are one as was proven with Gandhi movement. Look at any spiritual path and you will find politics. Jesus was killed because of politics. Think about that. No spirituality without politics.

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris killed many Russians and Palestinians.  There hasnt been any president in power including Trump that doesnt have blood on their hands.  JFK tried to stop it but look what happened to him

[AerisVahnEphelia]

On 11/20/2024 at 3:09 AM, Javfly33 said:

Is not about the past but rather that just tells you he won't be picking any habit at his age so basically you have guaranteed that it will be like that until he dies.

If you are leading a country is absolutely important your mind is the least intoxicated and is clear as it can be. 

Paradox is you cannot be advanced spiritually without drugs. 

that just not going to happen.

The lack of curiosity is the mark of a weak mind.

 

[r0ckyreed]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Rogan doesn t even have enough awareness to understand that Alex Jones and Elon Musk are devils. His mind is hijacked by his career and all the rich and famous people he is friends with. Rogan is the definition of elitism and corruption from fame, power, and wealth.

Pardon my ignorance, but is your notion of why Rogan isn’t awake is because he lacks awareness of Devils? If so, that was my entire argument. If you voted for Trump, you ain’t awake because you aren’t even conscious of what a Devil is, so how could you be conscious of what God is? 

I don’t deny that the Buddha can attain Enlightenment and still vote for Trump, but the fact that the Buddha voted for Trump shows that his Enlightenment is far from complete. If you have an insight but you cannot integrate it, it’s as if you don’t even understand your own Awakenings. How could you understand God but not the Devil? Sure, self-deception is part of life, but that is something else to awaken to. If you awaken to the Devil, it seems contradictory that you would still be fooled by him. Hence, you are still asleep to his tricks.

If Enlightenment is dissolving the ego, then it seems egotistical to even vote Trump. To vote for Trump is all ego.

Edited 11 hours ago by r0ckyreed

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, r0ckyreed said:

but is your notion of why Rogan isn’t awake is because he lacks awareness of Devils?

No

[ChadT]

15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Rogan doesn t even have enough awareness to understand that Alex Jones and Elon Musk are devils. His mind is hijacked by his career and all the rich and famous people he is friends with. Rogan is the definition of elitism and corruption from fame, power, and wealth.

I 100% agree with you on this.  For me the question is whether Rogan will eventually realize this.  As a former fan of his, I still think there is a resonable person in there somewhere.  It will be interesting to see if he can find his way back.  

Edited 11 hours ago by ChadT

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, ChadT said:

I 100% agree with you on this.  For me the question is whether Rogan will eventually realize this.  As a former fan of his, I still think there a resonable person in there somewhere.  It will be interesting to see if he can find his way back.  

I don't think so. He has become the average of all the immature corrupt friends he hangs out with.

Rogan will always be anti-mainstream. That's his overriding style. And he's not going to do any deep self-reflection because it would be suicidal to his career.

Edited 11 hours ago by Leo Gura

[What Am I]

2 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

Pardon my ignorance, but is your notion of why Rogan isn’t awake is because he lacks awareness of Devils? If so, that was my entire argument. If you voted for Trump, you ain’t awake because you aren’t even conscious of what a Devil is, so how could you be conscious of what God is? 

I don’t deny that the Buddha can attain Enlightenment and still vote for Trump, but the fact that the Buddha voted for Trump shows that his Enlightenment is far from complete. If you have an insight but you cannot integrate it, it’s as if you don’t even understand your own Awakenings. How could you understand God but not the Devil? Sure, self-deception is part of life, but that is something else to awaken to. If you awaken to the Devil, it seems contradictory that you would still be fooled by him. Hence, you are still asleep to his tricks.

If Enlightenment is dissolving the ego, then it seems egotistical to even vote Trump. To vote for Trump is all ego.

Another way to understand the distinction is by studying Ken Wilber's developmental models for "waking up" and "growing up."

It's not wise to accept any model as the absolute truth, because a map is simply not equivalent to the territory, but it can at least help you understand why you shouldn't be so quick to bundle a bunch of other things with awakening.

https://www.perennial-counseling.com/blog/ken-wilbers-stages-of-development-a-guide-to-waking-up-growing-up-and-cleaning-up

Edited 9 hours ago by What Am I