If You Voted For Trump or RFK, You Aren’t Awake

[Leo Gura]

13 hours ago, Jodistrict said:

The Lotus flower grows out of the shit. 

I've seen a lot of shit in my life and very few lotus flowers.

Edited Wednesday at 05:22 PM by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

This blog post dovetails nicely with this topic

https://www.actualized.org/insights/developing-good-politics

[r0ckyreed]

Yeah. Thanks for that blog post. It all makes sense now. I got it. Just because you awaken to reality doesn’t mean you can do calculus or understand politics because that is a relative domain. It’s like getting the Buddha to understand the rules of football. The Buddha may not get football, but that doesn’t discount his awakening.

Edited Wednesday at 02:35 PM by r0ckyreed

[zazen]

When the left try to engineer societal transformation through institutional power, cultural policing, and moral absolutism, they create more toxic soil than fertile ground for lotus flowers. 

Power blinds those who have it, and their abuses of it. I see very little self-reflection (self actualization anyone?) among leftist Democrats. The left’s problem isn’t their ability to dissect Trump - it’s their inability to see why they keep losing to him - to dissect themselves. They’re like a boxer who’s perfected the jab but keeps getting knocked out because they don’t see the hooks coming.

Power is like water to a fish – when you're swimming in it, you stop noticing it's there. That's why the establishment can't understand why people are "voting against their interests." They can't see how their own overreach, their own abuse of power, their own suffocating orthodoxy might feel to people who have to live under it.

Real discernment would mean being able to see the whole picture – not just Trump's failures, but the system's failures. Not just the flaws in others thinking, but the fatal flaws in their own. Analyzing micro aggressions and individual failings is narrow band discernment, not wide band discernment of institutional systemic failings that commit macro aggressions on the populace within its borders and beyond in the form of foreign policy. That's the real tragedy here: The people who pride themselves on their ability to spot fascism in others have become blind to the authoritarian impulses in themselves or within their own “side”.

The establishment left wield immense power - cultural, institutional, and bureaucratic. It's pervasive and stretches from academia to social media, from corporations to mainstream entertainers. They cancel, censor, lecture, and condescend. They wield moral superiority like a hammer, dismissing dissent as ignorant or bigoted. They can get someone memory holed from the internet and destroy careers with a hashtag. They can turn the entire media apparatus into a synchronized chorus singing whatever tune serves the establishment.

When the right put their efforts into alternative media - the left cry about it calling for more censorship of misinformation. It’s the same reason on a macro geopolitical level - BRICS is forming an alternate financial system parallel to the Western system  - because the West abuses and weaponises it through sanctions and seizure of assets - utterly suffocating multipolarity just like how the establishment suffocate domestic political plurality - causing utter polarity as a result!

Trump’s flaws are obvious to anyone who cares to look - his lies, his ego, his opportunism. But to many he’s not just a man - he’s a battering ram against a system they feel failed them. On some level, people view a individual or a group of them as more nimble and agile, able to change - rather than a behemoth of an establishment. Its easier to turn around a dinghy than a titanic. This gives them hope, and they're willing to bet on it, even if it means the dinghy may be turning towards a ocean without a shore - for the status quo titanic they are currently on feels like its bound for a iceberg.

The establishment are so drunk on their own power that they can't see how they're manufacturing their own opposition. They're like a person setting fire to their own house while complaining about the smell of smoke. Trump isn't their problem – he's a symptom of their problem. He's what happens when you convince half the country that they're deplorable, and then act surprised when they embrace it.

Trump isn't winning because he's strong. He's winning because the liberal establishment has become everything they claim to oppose – authoritarian lite, elitist, and completely disconnected from the people they performatively champion. The establishment NCP's are too busy polishing their pronouns and perfecting their cancellation techniques to notice they've become exactly what they claim to hate. The people who control the message keep losing to the message they can't control thanks to alternative media.

Edited Thursday at 09:41 AM by zazen

[Oeaohoo]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

They are here to remind you of who you will become if you don't take the work seriously, if you convince yourself that you already got it figured.

Do not assume that people who associate themselves with my work are actually doing the work. Many are not. They use the my work to deepen their self-deception.

Do you have any thoughts on how to avoid using spiritual work for self-deception?

[Aramara]

23 hours ago, r0ckyreed said:

Who you vote for is a representation of your level of consciousness. You think Jesus or Gandhi would vote for Trump? Politics and spirituality are one as was proven with Gandhi movement. Look at any spiritual path and you will find politics. Jesus was killed because of politics. Think about that. No spirituality without politics.

Jesus got killed because he proclaimed the divine authority as "Son of God" several times in front of the Pharisees.
It wasn't politics but blasphemy that got him killed.

The only element of politics in his death is the fact that religious authority at the time persuaded the Romans by lying that he claimed to become a king. But it was the blasphemy that instantiated this all

Edited Wednesday at 04:39 PM by Aramara

[r0ckyreed]

48 minutes ago, Aramara said:

Jesus got killed because he proclaimed the divine authority as "Son of God" several times in front of the Pharisees.
It wasn't politics but blasphemy that got him killed.

The only element of politics in his death is the fact that religious authority at the time persuaded the Romans by lying that he claimed to become a king. But it was the blasphemy that instantiated this all

What you do about blasphemy is a political issue. The death penalty is all politics man.

[r0ckyreed]

After contemplating this some more, I’m not sure if it is possible to understand God without understanding the Devil. How can you understand God but not the Devil? Trump is a Devil. The path of understanding God requires extensive existential contemplations. I think some of this does transfer over. From my own experience, just engaging in existential contemplation has transferred over into other areas such as politics. The more openminded you are, the more liberal your mind is. You have to have a pretty open mind to understand the deepest facets of reality. My argument is that people that claim they are awake but still vote for Trump, already that shows that they aren’t fully awake to understanding the nature of reality. Voting for Trump already implies there is something wrong with your understanding of reality. I get that politics is its own study entirely, but to awaken to God and then be so dumb to not see the Devil in Trump doesn’t compute in my mind. It makes me question the validity of your “awakening” because if you can’t see the Devil in Trump, how can you see it in yourself?

 

Edit: Never mind. I realize that self-deception is part of life, and it isn’t right to denounce someone’s entire awakening experience over one mistake in their worldview. Just because we understand God doesn’t mean one has fully grasped the Devil. Devil awakening must be another animal. And just because the Devil is grasped doesn’t mean mistakes won’t happen.

Edited Friday at 04:05 AM by r0ckyreed

[Inliytened1]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:52 PM, r0ckyreed said:

After contemplating this some more, I’m not sure if it is possible to understand God without understanding the Devil. How can you understand God but not the Devil? Trump is a Devil. The path of understanding God

 

 

Bro don't mix spirituality with politics please. This gets really messy.  Leo's stuff on spirituality is really good but leave that to what it is.

[Hardkill]

Let everyone who supports Trumpism suffer like hell. 

Elections have consequences......

[kamwalker]

Who you vote for has nothing to do with being awake. There are awake people who are still very much attached to their ego and will do what benefits them. Rogan is a clear example of this 

[What Am I]

30 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

Who you vote for has nothing to do with being awake. There are awake people who are still very much attached to their ego and will do what benefits them. Rogan is a clear example of this 

If we're now saying Rogan has any significant amount of awakening beyond incidental peripheral openings due to psychedelic use, we've watered down the word so as to be completely useless. And I actually even like the guy, but awakening has a particular meaning that should be respected.

[Yimpa]

43 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Let everyone who supports Trumpism suffer like hell. 

Elections have consequences......

You’re starting to sound like the very thing that you hate.

[kamwalker]

2 hours ago, What Am I said:

If we're now saying Rogan has any significant amount of awakening beyond incidental peripheral openings due to psychedelic use, we've watered down the word so as to be completely useless. And I actually even like the guy, but awakening has a particular meaning that should be respected.

He is awake. It's obvious if you actually listen to many of his podcasts. But his ideology is still clearly influenced by his status in society. 

Awakening is nothing to be respected. You guys put it up on this pedestal like only "special" people can understand it. There are many people here who are awake but have no idea how to function in society. If you don't understand how to balance both it's useless 

Edited 18 hours ago by kamwalker

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, kamwalker said:

He is awake.

No.

This notion is ridiculous.

[What Am I]

Just now, kamwalker said:

He is awake. It's obvious if you actually listen to many of his podcasts. But his ideology is still clearly influenced by his status in society. 

Awakening is nothing to be respected. You guys put it up on this "pedestal" like only special people can understand it

My bad, I was feeling snarky when I made my earlier comment. I shouldn't have acted so superior.

Like I mentioned, I like Joe Rogan. But I suppose you're correct that I do put awakening on a pedestal as something extremely special and rare. Not that it has to be. I believe anyone could perform the requisite exercises in awareness and consciousness, but the mass majority simply aren't even aware it's an option. I'd unfortunately include Rogan as someone who just doesn't know what he doesn't know.

[kamwalker]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No.

This notion is ridiculous.

Your own ego will cloud how you see it 

[kamwalker]

2 minutes ago, What Am I said:

My bad, I was feeling snarky when I made my earlier comment. I shouldn't have acted so superior.

Like I mentioned, I like Joe Rogan. But I suppose you're correct that I do put awakening on a pedestal as something extremely special and rare. Not that it has to be. I believe anyone could perform the requisite exercises in awareness and consciousness, but the mass majority simply aren't even aware it's an option. I'd unfortunately include Rogan as someone who just doesn't know what he doesn't know.

Yeah. I've listened to enough of his 5-MeO experiences and even just pure explanations of reality to know he gets it. But he's so rich and famous now that he is losing his soul. It can happen to anyone 

[Leo Gura]

Rogan doesn t even have enough awareness to understand that Alex Jones and Elon Musk are devils. His mind is hijacked by his career and all the rich and famous people he is friends with. Rogan is the definition of elitism and corruption from fame, power, and wealth.

Edited 18 hours ago by Leo Gura

[kamwalker]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Rogan doesn t even have enough awareness to understand that Alex Jones and Elon Musk are devils. His mind is hijacked by his career and all the rich and famous people he is friends with. Rogan is the definition of elitism and corruption from fame, power, and wealth.

I agree with you. That's why I'm saying awakening is nothing special. He understands reality on level most people don't but his ego still allows him to make idiotic decisions that benefit him. And that same thing could happen to you too if you were in his position 

Edited 17 hours ago by kamwalker