If You Voted For Trump or RFK, You Aren’t Awake

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Joshe said:

Supporting Trump isn't so much about political knowledge/development as it is discernment. If you want to vote against the left because you think they're the greater evil, you don't have discernment.

Discernment is a key trait among the top spiritual teachers. You can't even begin to discuss Trump's policies because he's a con artist. Only those lacking discernment would discuss the merits of and show support for a con artist. 

If you think a verified con artist, who has a long history of conning, and has been recorded lying 30,000+ times is better than a status-quo politician who was caught lying 20 times, you clearly lack discernment. There's no way around it. If you had discernment, 1 hour's worth of watching Trump speak would tell you everything you need to know. If you walk away thinking "I like this guy" or "others are treating this man badly", you lack discernment. 

This has much more to do with understanding discernment, self-deception, logical fallacy, emotional reasoning, etc, than it does with understanding politics. 

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[Schizophonia]

Op isn't awaken.

[FourCrossedWands]

The biggest surprise is how many people here are not only pro Trump, but also pro ultra right wing and worship guys like Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, and others.

What are these people even doing on these forums? Have they mixed self-actualization with predatory capitalism?

Edited Tuesday at 09:33 PM by FourCrossedWands

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, FourCrossedWands said:

The biggest surprise is how many people here are not only pro Trump, but also pro ultra right wing and worship guys like Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, and others.

What are these people even doing on these forums?

They are here to remind you of who you will become if you don't take the work seriously, if you convince yourself that you already got it figured.

Do not assume that people who associate themselves with my work are actually doing the work. Many are not. They use the my work to deepen their self-deception.

Edited Tuesday at 09:35 PM by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, FourCrossedWands said:

The biggest surprise is how many people here are not only pro Trump, but also pro ultra right wing and worship guys like Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, and others.

What are these people even doing on these forums?

The point of actualizing is to not choose and defend a side or perspective, but to see what they are consciously.

[cjoseph90]

37 minutes ago, Kid A said:

Why would Trump need alcohol? His personality is basically that of a drunk person: Loud, overly confident, has no sense of social norms, rude, mean, sexually harassing and eats at McDonald's.

Well said, +1

[Peo]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not assume that people who associate themselves with my work are actually doing the work. Many are not. They use the my work to deepen their self-deception.

Let me guess those with low post number or not on this forum at all is doing the work.

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Peo said:

Let me guess those with low post number or not on this forum at all is doing the work.

They are.

[Schizophonia]

48 minutes ago, Kid A said:

Why would Trump need alcohol? His personality is basically that of a drunk person: Loud, overly confident, has no sense of social norms, rude, mean, sexually harassing and eats at McDonald's.

You mean someone with high testosterone

[Schizophonia]

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

They are here to remind you of who you will become if you don't take the work seriously, if you convince yourself that you already got it figured.

Do not assume that people who associate themselves with my work are actually doing the work. Many are not. They use the my work to deepen their self-deception.

It don't seems you resonates like someone awakened even a a bit.

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, don't you think that if most people are going to deceive themselves with your work, then maybe making your work less accessible to them—idk, maybe making all of us pay for your free videos—could be good?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, don't you think that if most people are going to deceive themselves with your work, then maybe making your work less accessible to them—idk, maybe making all of us pay for your free videos—could be good?

It wouldn't really solve the problem. And my work cannot exist without attracting new viewers. My work is made to be mostly free for mankind.

Edited Tuesday at 10:36 PM by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My work is made to be mostly free for mankind.

Thanks.

[r0ckyreed]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Awakening and development are distinct things. One could be awake but not developed. Furthermore, political development and maturity is its own special line of development. So one could be well developed in certain ways but a political idiot. Most spiritual people are political idiots because serious political understanding requires a decade or more of study, research, and contemplation. And most spirituality discourages people from serious thinking.

This is the part I don’t understand. How can you be awake if you don’t know how to embody basic critical thinking skills. God is supposed to be the most complex concept of all time, and to be able to understand God takes a high level of awareness and insight. Politics is at such a survival level and it is more relative in nature.

I don’t see how awakening and development aren’t the same. The less one is developed, the more selfish they are, the more skewed their reality is. This person is more in alignment with the Devil than God. You mentioned it yourself sometime ago that the reason we don’t understand God is because of selfishness and how that distorts our understanding.

I could be wrong but it seems like it takes an incredibly wise person to be able to understand God. It takes less intelligence to understand that Trump is a Devil. I know developmentally delayed people who were wise enough to see through Trump’s BS and vote for Kamala.

Edited Wednesday at 12:58 AM by r0ckyreed

[Leo Gura]

35 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

This is the part I don’t understand. How can you be awake if you don’t know how to embody basic critical thinking skills. God is supposed to be the most complex concept of all time, and to be able to understand God takes a high level of awareness and insight.

1) There are many kinds and degrees of awakening

2) Most people who talk about awakening aren't awake.

3) Awakening is a function of state of consciousness and genetics, not thought.

4) Cognitive development requires thousands of hours of thinking and education, which is not the same thing as your state of consciousness.

5) Through meditation or psychedelics you can change your state of consciousness with no change in your cognitive development.

6) Consciousness of God is very different from a deep cognitive understanding of God and reality.

7) Relative domains like politics cannot be understood simply because one gains access to the absolute. Relative experience is required. No matter how awake you get you will still not know how to repair a car engine unless you have deep experience working with car engines.

Edited Wednesday at 01:34 AM by Leo Gura

[Inliytened1]

@r0ckyreed this is kinda silly.  Woke or enlightened has little to do with the price of groceries. And spirituality aside both parties are far from tier 2 in their own way so if you think that letting the left win this term is going to drastically change the course of history I got news for you it's probably going to advance society further to let it take its natural course and let Orange completely peak.  

Edited Wednesday at 03:03 AM by Inliytened1

[Hardkill]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

1) There are many kinds and degrees of awakening

2) Most people who talk about awakening aren't awake.

3) Awakening is a function of state of consciousness and genetics, not thought.

4) Cognitive development requires thousands of hours of thinking and education, which is not the same thing as your state of consciousness.

5) Through meditation or psychedelics you can change your state of consciousness with no change in your cognitive development.

6) Consciousness of God is very different from a deep cognitive understanding of God and reality.

7) Relative domains like politics cannot be understood simply because one gains access to the absolute. Relative experience is required. No matter how awake you get you will still not know how to repair a car engine unless you have deep experience working with car engines.

Does our country need to hit rock bottom to get out of this Media Pervertry?

[Joshe]

5 hours ago, Terell Kirby said:

Thoughts on how one develops discernment?

I would love a good answer to this question. I can't pin it down. 

If I had to pick the top 3 traits to work on to develop it, they'd be:

• Integrity: commitment to align one's thoughts, beliefs, and actions with what is true
• Intellectual humility: ability to effortlessly revise existing judgements/conclusions in light of new information and then a desire to put your errors under the microscope and uproot the cause of error 
• Intuition: develops with deep observation. I'm not sure but I think you mostly have to be born with a predisposition towards deep observation and contemplation. Not sure how feasible it is to develop if it doesn't come natural.

These might also be necessary:

• Open-mindedness 
• Comfortable with uncertainty, patient
• Curiosity fueled by need to understand what is not currently understood
• Self-awareness to see through your own lies
• Critical thinking / logical reasoning / observation skills
• Adaptability 
• Confidence

Edited Wednesday at 01:53 AM by Joshe

[Yimpa]

See Leo’s video about introspection 

[Leo Gura]

27 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

Does our country need to hit rock bottom to get out of this Media Pervertry?

No. The problem is too deep for that. There is no cure for not caring about truth.

Even hitting rock bottom will not fix it.

Mankind does not care about truth. And that's the way it will always be.

Edited Wednesday at 02:06 AM by Leo Gura