Nothing to get

[James123]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

I don't do the strong determination sitting but I do meditate and can meditate for weeks straight. When it comes to your idea of no consciousness, I don't agree. We are probably just defining things very differently.

Maybe brother. As long as you / we are happy. 

[Da77en]

@James123 I agree, expanding my consciousness makes me very fulfilled but I never settle because there's always more.

From my perspective, expansion of consciousness is extremely important and even if you have to go through immense challenges to do so. It's still takes work and is very vital to do, if we want a healthy world it's going to take a lot of collective expansion of consciousness.

Edited 4 hours ago by Da77en

[creativepursuit]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

is there any YOU there?

No Consciousness = Death, AND Deep Sleep (not =) Death, hence Deep Sleep (not =) No Consciousness

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Da77en said:

@James123 I agree, expanding my consciousness makes me very fulfilled but I never settle because there's always more.

From my perspective, expansion of consciousness is extremely important and even if you have to go through immense challenges to do so. It's still takes work and is very vital to do, if we want a healthy world it's going to take a lot of collective expansion of consciousness.

Of course. However, if all the world is within, and when you realize what you are, everything is already beauty?

4 minutes ago, creativepursuit said:

No Consciousness = Death, AND Deep Sleep (not =) Death, hence Deep Sleep (not =) No Consciousness

You are always death. Sleep, birth or consciousness is just your imagination

[creativepursuit]

10 minutes ago, James123 said:

your imagination

Whatever you are imagining also exists

[James123]

3 minutes ago, creativepursuit said:

Whatever you are imagining also exists

If I don't imagine?

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

This is what I’m conflicted about. I don’t know really what the self is, if it’s real or not, illusory or not etc. 

The self is the appearance of movement, that something is happening. This creates a mental structure throughout life, based on genetic impulses such as fear and desire for acceptance, which is very solid. it is like a mental flow capsule that creates a permanent distinction between me and not me, and that cannot stop for a moment.

This mental flow is not illusory, non-existent, false, as it exists. it is totally real. what we call enlightenment is something that passes through the deep understanding of this mental flow through meditation, in order to open this structure and temporarily stop the movement, and at the same time open your heart. your heart is closed by fear, to open it fear must absolutely disappear for a moment. there are many layers of fear in us, all of which are based on death, disappearance, but they manifest themselves in many ways, such as fear of not being accepted or losing control. to open your heart is to totally let go of fear, to look directly at the bottomless abyss of reality and give yourself to it. It is not an easy thing, the self is not going to want to do this, to force the psychedelics they can work.

in the total absence of fear and mental movement, reality appears as absolute emptiness, the consciousness of the body is totally lost, the breath ,is nothing left, total emptiness without limit. you have to get used to this and stay there, at first it is terrifying.

then it happens that what you are manifests, your substance, essence, opens and permeates the whole void. it is inexhaustible, although the void has no bottom, your substance fills it. infinite emptiness kills any form, since any form in infinite expansion disappears, but your substantial does not. It does not matter that the expansion is infinite, your substance is inexhaustible, upside down, it becomes total, absolute, and there you find what you are, the infinity that is, that is, you

[Razard86]

Reality is both Non Dual and Dualistic. If it weren't so there wouldn't be any differences to explore. You can both raise and lower in Consciousness to explore both the Separation and the Oneness. At certain Consciousness levels that separation is experienced as Absolute. Without a state change that separation is NOT an illusion...its real. Until the illusion is dispelled...its not an illusion. 

This is why many people who attempt to teach Spirituality fail so miserably to get their message across. I would never tell someone that the ego is an illusion. I would tell them that the ego is Real....but is temporary and limited so it is not as Real as the Absolute in comparison. This is how you properly awake someone. Going around just telling people that its all an illusion just confuses them.

Edited 2 hours ago by Razard86

[UnbornTao]

4 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Contemplate that. 

Exactly

Edited 1 hour ago by UnbornTao