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[Da77en]

I am going to make the bold claim on this forum that nothing is actually genetic. Nothing.

Genetics are a reflection of your state of being/consciousness, not the other way around.

This goes back to the materialist paradigm of physicality determining consciousness as opposed to consciousness determining physicality, the materialist paradigm's assumption is incorrect. Consciousness determines all of physicality, physicality has no effect on consciousness whatsoever, it seems to create effects on consciousness but that's because physicality is a reflection of consciousness. Your consciousness is generating any experience you have including any kind of effect, physicality is an illusion generated within consciousness.

If you want to understand how state of being/consciousness works, you can refer to this post: 

 

Edited 20 hours ago by Da77en

[James123]

2 hours ago, Da77en said:

I am going to make the bold claim on this forum that nothing is actually genetic. Nothing.

Genetics are a reflection of your state of being/consciousness, not the other way around.

How do you know? İs it really possible to know something?

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

How do you know? İs it really possible to know something?

God is all-knowing. God can even contemplate and understand why God cannot understand everything or anything.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Yimpa said:

God is all-knowing. God can even contemplate and understand why God cannot understand everything or anything.

Where is god? 

[Da77en]

16 minutes ago, James123 said:

How do you know? İs it really possible to know something?

If you become more aware of the nature of state of being/consciousness, you will see that all of physicality is a reflection of state of being/consciousness.

It’s something you need to have a direct/experiential understanding of.

Edited 18 hours ago by Da77en

[James123]

Just now, Da77en said:

If you become more aware of the nature of state of being/consciousness, you will see that all of physicality is a reflection of state of being/consciousness.

Nature of state of Being is emptiness, and genuinely not knowing. Because, the knower is an illusion in first place. 

[Da77en]

@James123 I’m talking about the nature of how state of being works. How it is generated and such.

It’s more of a mechanical understanding.

Edited 18 hours ago by Da77en

[James123]

@Da77en what about the nature of emptiness?

[Da77en]

1 minute ago, James123 said:

@Da77en what about the nature of emptiness?

I see the nature of emptiness as being the formless aspect of consciousness which never changes. If you let go of limited form identifications you become aware of this eternal aspect of consciousness which has no form. You are both formless and all form.

[James123]

1 minute ago, Da77en said:

I see the nature of emptiness as being the formless aspect of consciousness which never changes. If you let go of limited form identifications you become aware of this eternal aspect of consciousness which has no form. You are both formless and all form.

Yes true. Nice explanation. But form is just a temporary reflection. A 💧 in the ocean. 

[Da77en]

@James123 Yes, good explanation.

Edited 18 hours ago by Da77en

[James123]

6 minutes ago, Da77en said:

@James123 Yes, good explanation.

Love you brother.

[Da77en]

@James123 Love you too. I appreciate the conversations.

[James123]

3 minutes ago, Da77en said:

@James123 Love you too. I appreciate the conversations.

Mee too brother thank you. 

[VeganAwake]

On 11/19/2024 at 8:51 AM, James123 said:

Reality is an illusion itself. Ego is not separate from reality. Ego or you is the universe, which is an illusion. 

İ am very sorry to say this but, if you identify yourself as body and mind that's beginning of the path. 

You can call reality whatever you want, it doesn't change anything. The body still can't walk through a brick wall or defy the laws of gravity by calling everything an illusion/you.

There isn't a me or a you in which could even identify as body/mind......that's the illusion we're discussing 🤔 

The you that thinks there is a path with a beginning and end, is the illusion of self....the knower there, is the illusion brother!

❤️ 

Edited 16 hours ago by VeganAwake

[VeganAwake]

As for the so-called eternal consciousness, that experience is just the bodily sensations(sight, sound, smell, taste) coupled with a spiritually conditioned imagination.

When that body dies, so will the concepts of so-called eternal consciousness held there.

There is nothing eternal or permanent. No need to call nothingness eternal because it already never existed.....it's not eternal or temporary....it simply never was!

❤️ 

Edited 15 hours ago by VeganAwake

[James123]

38 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

There is nothing eternal or permanent. No need to call nothingness eternal because it already never existed.....it's not eternal or temporary....it simply never was!

How do you know how to write?

38 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

As for the so-called eternal consciousness, that experience is just the bodily sensations(sight, sound, smell, taste) coupled with a spiritually conditioned imagination.

Unfortunately not. If there is no sun or gravity there is no body and nobody. You are everything (ego).

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Da77en said:

I am going to make the bold claim on this forum that nothing is actually genetic. Nothing.

Genetics are a reflection of your state of being/consciousness, not the other way around.

This goes back to the materialist paradigm of physicality determining consciousness as opposed to consciousness determining physicality, the materialist paradigm's assumption is incorrect. Consciousness determines all of physicality, physicality has no effect on consciousness whatsoever, it seems to create effects on consciousness but that's because physicality is a reflection of consciousness. Your consciousness is generating any experience you have including any kind of effect, physicality is an illusion generated within consciousness.

If you want to understand how state of being/consciousness works, you can refer to this post: 

 

I'm talking in a practical sense. For example, now I'm having a coffee. If someone tell me that the coffee doesn't exist, what is the point of that? Genes are like the coffee, they are there. You could say that they are a consecuence or anything, but the thing is that I have fear to the hungry tigers, even they doesn't exist. I don't care at all about those differentiations, I only care about the openenss to the absolute. Then the relative could be defined as non existent, dream, real, illusion, Maya, karma or anything. Are just relative definitions. Enlightenment is your true nature, the being, that contains everything. It's something that anyone can realize only removing all the hindrances. You asked, what to do after that? The same than before, existing. 

[Javfly33]

13 hours ago, Da77en said:

 

Once you get to that enlightenment, what are you going to do next?

Enlightment is supposed to be total, meaning that there is nothing more to achieve because you have achieved the limitless, at that point you can not do +1.

But of course is debatable, if there is any human able to be in that state at will, most we have seen it either in psychedelic or meditation peaks.

The understanding of the mechanism of being able to remain infinite while maintaining a limited body, that is the Billion dollar question. 

Everyone can jump off the trampoline and see Freedom for some seconds, but let´s say some of us understand Enlightment as actually walking out the prison and never going back.

And yes, that entails some trascendental step in your being which means a certain cycle of existence is over for you. Most beings are not nowhere near that level of Evolution. 

So actual 'permanent' Enlightment is rare to talk about because it entails some radical sacrifices in exchange for a completely new landscape.

Due to how the creation is currently orquestrated, most beings still have a long way to go, they must go through more prison time to realize the value of the word 'freedom'.

Edited 7 hours ago by Javfly33

[Da77en]

@Breakingthewall You will still exist but if you have achieved such a high level of awareness, usually anything else you do will be reflective that high level of awareness. Some people have an idea of enlightenment that once they achieve it they will just sit in meditation for eternity or something like that. I see that as a misunderstanding, there’s still more to do after the various non-dual realizations.

@Javfly33 From my awareness, if such thing as a final permanent Enlightenment was achieved where nothing more could be achieved, it would need to be a state of continuous expansion, forever. Such a state would transcend physicality very rapidly and I’m not sure if such a state is possible. My perspective of many certain traditional views of enlightenment is that they achieved a certain realization and mistook that for the actual end, I don’t see it that way, there’s always more to the expansion of your consciousness. Some traditional views of enlightenment see it as a platform to continue to expand your consciousness, which I agree with.

Edited 2 hours ago by Da77en