Karma .... Does what goes around come around?

[Hojo]

@ChrisZoZoFunny I just google karma bashar and this tik tok saying Karma has nothing to do with anyone else is the first thing that came up. It also states your reactions are your Karma, so I don't know which Bashar you are listening to. Is there another one? Or am I severely misunderstanding what is being said.

https://www.tiktok.com/@bashartoks/video/7376339087936113966

Edited Tuesday at 05:35 PM by Hojo

[Atb210201]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@Atb210201Sounds like you want to be mad at things. This is a free slip to erase karma by not reacting. Literally bad things will stop happening if they dissapear from your mind, its a hologram based on mental states. If someone stole your bike and you get mad it will happen again. If you dont care God will give you a new bike for free.

No I don't want to be mad at things.

Let's forget it.

[Atb210201]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Everything you do, you do to yourself.

If you steal a bike, you need it more than they do.

It needed to happen for the highest unfolding.

Let it go whether the victim or the victor.

The wealth is being spread around as required

Yes for sure.

But This knowledge doesn't give anyone free pass to do wrong things.

Let's leave it at that.

[James123]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Everything you do, you do to yourself.

If you steal a bike, you need it more than they do.

It needed to happen for the highest unfolding.

Let it go whether the victim or the victor.

The wealth is being spread around as required

No definitely not. If you are not in love and need to steal, you are still control by the ego/survival mechanism. 

[Hojo]

@Atb210201My appologise, there is a very severe acceptance that comes with reality. Im not saying I wouldn't get mad if someone steal my bike but I saw and understand that when I put these emotions out into reality they come right back at me because my emotions don't leave my body I create them and sit in them.

Edited Tuesday at 05:55 PM by Hojo

[Atb210201]

3 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Atb210201My appologise, there is a very severe acceptance that comes with reality. Im not saying I wouldn't get mad if someone steal my bike but I saw and understand that when we put these emotions out into reality they come right back at us because our emotions don't leave our bodies we create them and sit in them.

Yes I agree with you.

It was just about the stealer stealing the bike not the one whose bike has been stolen; but let's forget it all.

I'm sorry if I sounded mad no apologies needed my friend.

Edited Tuesday at 05:58 PM by Atb210201

[gettoefl]

8 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes for sure.

But This knowledge doesn't give anyone free pass to do wrong things.

Let's leave it at that.

Wrong things are judgement which is relative to you.

[gettoefl]

8 minutes ago, James123 said:

No definitely not. If you are not in love and need to steal, you are still control by the ego/survival mechanism. 

I am speaking of if I steal a bike or if one is stolen from me

I am cool and calm

[James123]

12 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

I am speaking of if I steal a bike or if one is stolen from me

I am cool and calm

Good for you brother.

[Atb210201]

13 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Wrong things are judgement which is relative to you.

Well that's debatable.

I don't see relativity as absolute.

[gettoefl]

34 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Well that's debatable.

I don't see relativity as absolute.

Correct.

It's an foolhardy attempt to distort the absolute.

[Javfly33]

On 19/11/2024 at 0:31 AM, Atb210201 said:

Doesn't work that way my friend.

I'm talking about the example you just made.

 

On 19/11/2024 at 0:49 AM, Atb210201 said:

Well that's just like saying as long as you feel good you are allowed to do anything you want.

 

On 19/11/2024 at 0:52 AM, Atb210201 said:

So I'm allowed to hurt others then for my own happiness or pleasure?

@Atb210201 He is right. @Hojo I also read in his Karma book something along the lines like this:

2 monks want to go prostitutes. 1 decides to go, but the other one abstains from it (because he thinks it is anti-spiritual or something like that). Sadhguru says the first monk does not accumulate almost karma, while the second one accumulates karma.

This is because the one that abstained secretly envied the one who went to the prostitute, he actually wanted to go to. He created a certain 'volition' of abstaining from the prostitute, which creates karma.

The first one just engaged in the compulsion with no second-thought, which just will accelerate the process of discovering the limitation of his endeveour, which will make discover the spiritual process (the path of unlimitation).

This is similar to people using drugs and trying to abstain.

The ones that just engage in the compulsion with no second thought actually is better than the ones that forcefully abstain, because in the abstainance there is a strong volition in not to do it, which is how you generate karma in this case.

While the other ones just engaging in the drug use with no second thought until naturally you get tired of the drug and the drug use just 'falls off' automatically (thats at least what happens in my case)

 

Hope this helped @Atb210201

[Javfly33]

The key to not generate karma is whatever you do in life , to do it in a friction-free way.

If whatever you are doing there is friction (mental, physical, energetic), you are creating karma in that moment.

All karma mechanism boils down to that.

Usually, when you are stealing a bike, there is mental friction, but maybe you were raised in a culture where stealing was acceptable, in the case when you are stealing that bike it might be totally fine with you, so you are not creating karma by stealing the bike.

The mechanism by how you create karma is internal (¿is there any type of friction?), is not external (a God or an outside entity judging you).

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:21 PM by Javfly33

[Atb210201]

31 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

 

@Atb210201 He is right. @Hojo I also read in his Karma book something along the lines like this:

2 monks want to go prostitutes. 1 decides to go, but the other one abstains from it (because he thinks it is anti-spiritual or something like that). Sadhguru says the first monk does not accumulate almost karma, while the second one accumulates karma.

This is because the one that abstained secretly envied the one who went to the prostitute, he actually wanted to go to. He created a certain 'volition' of abstaining from the prostitute, which creates karma.

The first one just engaged in the compulsion with no second-thought, which just will accelerate the process of discovering the limitation of his endeveour, which will make discover the spiritual process (the path of unlimitation).

This is similar to people using drugs and trying to abstain.

The ones that just engage in the compulsion with no second thought actually is better than the ones that forcefully abstain, because in the abstainance there is a strong volition in not to do it, which is how you generate karma in this case.

While the other ones just engaging in the drug use with no second thought until naturally you get tired of the drug and the drug use just 'falls off' automatically (thats at least what happens in my case)

 

Hope this helped @Atb210201

Thanks for taking time to write this.

Much Love and appreciation my friend.

Edited Wednesday at 12:46 PM by Atb210201

[Hojo]

@Javfly33 Life seems to like what we have deemed psychopathic or sociopathic behavior.

People have a hard time believing that God love psychopaths.

Edited Wednesday at 03:45 PM by Hojo

[Javfly33]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@Javfly33 Life seems to like what we have deemed psychopathic or sociopathic behavior.

People have a hard time believing that God love psychopaths.

Again, there is no God or even a Life liking anyone.

Rather is the mechanics of the dream. 

Would you want a dream that rewards you when you are feeling guilty (suffering) or when you are not feeling guilty (not suffering)?

[Hojo]

@Javfly33 does God hate morality then? I am talking about a simulation as if its a human because its the only way to do it.

God seems to detest morality if it created the universe this way. Or maybe it dosen't care.

Edited Wednesday at 06:46 PM by Hojo

[Javfly33]

18 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Javfly33 does God hate morality then? I am talking about a simulation as if its a human because its the only way to do it.

God seems to detest morality if it created the universe this way. Or maybe it dosen't care.

Ime there is no God.

Morality is something constructed on top of the dream.

Is as if you and I go walking on a trail, and you decide put on a backpack with 20kg of Stones on your back. Then you complain: "Why does God detest people with backpacks? 

Edited Wednesday at 07:02 PM by Javfly33

[Razard86]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

@Javfly33 does God hate morality then? I am talking about a simulation as if its a human because its the only way to do it.

God seems to detest morality if it created the universe this way. Or maybe it dosen't care.

God is a Good Neutrality. Because God is Neutral, Relative Evil is able to exist, because God is Good God cares. God can only care as one of its creations, because they are able to be hurt, but God as the formless does not care because it is invincible, cannot be harmed, and has no other. As such this Loving, Good, Formless Consciousness can only ever know Evil, through you. It can only ever know struggle, and fatigue, through you. 

So is there some balancing system? The only balance in the Universe is the collapsing/destruction/change/birth of all form. The old dies, and the new is born. The form creates karma, the formless does not.

[Ishanga]

10 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

The key to not generate karma is whatever you do in life , to do it in a friction-free way.

If whatever you are doing there is friction (mental, physical, energetic), you are creating karma in that moment.

All karma mechanism boils down to that.

Usually, when you are stealing a bike, there is mental friction, but maybe you were raised in a culture where stealing was acceptable, in the case when you are stealing that bike it might be totally fine with you, so you are not creating karma by stealing the bike.

The mechanism by how you create karma is internal (¿is there any type of friction?), is not external (a God or an outside entity judging you).

 

Good Post! 

I think his 3 pillars in the IE program of This Moment is Inevitable, This Moment is all there Is, and Response Ability is the best way to have a "Friction Free" as You say, I call it a Stress Free Life which is the foundation of any Spiritual Path, if Your always Reacting, being a Slave to outside situations, then Enlightenment is not in the cards for You! Peace and Ease have to come first, then it will happen most naturally I think!!