Make America Healthy Again is a joke.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It looks to me that most of you would prefer to see Trump administration end up doing lots of damage to America rather than good

No.

It's just obvious that no good will come from Trump's degeneracy.

Those hoping for good from a con-artist are fools.

We are just pointing out the obvious.

Edited November 18, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

We are just pointing out the obvious.

And what motivates you people to do that?

Like I said already "The coming together to criticize people you don't like does not amount to constructive critism, it just amounts to verbal abuse." 

 

Edited November 18, 2024 by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

And what motivates you people to do that?

We are just being responsible adults, telling the kids not to play with explosives. But you kids are preplexed by this.

Edited November 18, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

We are just being responsible adults, telling the kids not to play with explosives. But you kids are preplexed by this.

"The coming together to criticize people you don't like does not amount to constructive critism, it just amounts to verbal abuse"

[Hsinav]

17 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

"The coming together to criticize people you don't like does not amount to constructive critism, it just amounts to verbal abuse"

You think this is about "who you like" Lol

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

"The coming together to criticize people you don't like does not amount to constructive critism, it just amounts to verbal abuse"

There is no constructive criticism of a con-artist.

You are delusional if you think you can help or change Trump.

Edited November 18, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no constructive criticism of a con-artist.

Then of what value is it to trash talk con artists? 

Edited November 18, 2024 by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Salvijus said:

Then of what value is it to slander con artists? 

Slander?

Stop this ridiculous gaslighting.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Hsinav said:

You think this is about "who you like" Lol

Yes

[Salvijus]

59 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Slander?

Stop this ridiculous gaslighting.

Sorry I edited. "Trash talk"

[Hsinav]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Then of what value is it to trash talk con artists? 

These people are not just any con artists, they will spread their low consciousness around the earth with the speed of a forest fire. The consequences and the human suffering that follows will be massive and incalculable. After all a natural process where sometimes things have to get really bad before they can get better but which can be completely avoided with a higher level of awareness.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Hsinav said:

These people are not just any con artists, they will spread their low consciousness around the earth with the speed of a forest fire. The consequences and the human suffering that follows will be massive and incalculable. After all a natural process where sometimes things have to get really bad before they can get better but which can be completely avoided with a higher level of awareness.

And what are people going to achieve by complaining about it? And worse then that, extensively deregating and trash talking them?

I understand constructive critism can be valuable. But that's not what I see here. 

Edited November 18, 2024 by Salvijus

[zurew]

10 hours ago, Raze said:

If RFK goes against corporate interests there are many ways he can massively change American health

What are you thinking there specifically? What kind of specific moves can RFK jr do ?

Also what do you think how much of the american health being bad is directly caused by corporate interest? 

[Hsinav]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

And what are people going to achieve by complaining about it? And worse then that, extensively deregating and trash talking them?

I understand constructive critism can be valuable. But that's not what I see here. 

Most people don't see these people for what they are which is important, ie: narcissists, egoists, abusers of power, dangerous exploiters of people, notorious liars who only seek more power and control potentially leading to decades of massive human regression in large parts of the world, not really trash talk just constructive criticism

 

[Hardkill]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Good!

It's time to wake up.

Too much safety for too long has put everyone to sleep.

Unbelievable….

People like me don’t deserve this. Like you, I voted for Harris/Walz and blue down ballot and did everything I could to help get out the vote for Harris/Walz and vote blue down ballot.

Now, what can I do about it?

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Hsinav said:

Most people don't see these people for what they are which is important, ie: narcissists, egoists, abusers of power, dangerous exploiters of people, notorious liars who only seek more power and control potentially leading to decades of massive human regression in large parts of the world, not really trash talk just constructive criticism

 

It's constructive only if it brings value to the table. Unless your nice words help others broaden their perception, it amounts to verbal abuse only. 

Edited November 18, 2024 by Salvijus

[Yimpa]

 

[mmKay]

I remember a video of RFK jr telling people to vote trump so that he can fight corrupt food industry big shots lmao

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, mmKay said:

I remember a video of RFK jr telling people to vote trump so that he can fight corrupt food industry big shots lmao

"Let's come together and ridicule people we don't like even more. He he he. What satisfaction. Mm " 

Edit. Due to lack of vigilance to be self-aware my ego energy got involved into this last reply. Sorry. But the observation of the forum’s bahvior here still holds value I believe so I'm gonna leave the comment. 

Edited November 18, 2024 by Salvijus

[zurew]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

And what are people going to achieve by complaining about it? And worse then that, extensively deregating and trash talking them?

I understand constructive critism can be valuable. But that's not what I see here. 

Its very interesting to me that you never engage with the substance and you purely focus on the rhetoric and nothing else. You never engaged with any of the points that were brought up against Trump in other threads, but you surely went out of your way to state in every thread "dont bully, guys, because its never okay to bully".

You had 0 response to the facts that were brought up about how many conspiracy theories Trump voters believe in, you had 0 response to jan6 , 0 response to trump falsely claiming the 2020 election was stolen (and still denying that he lost in 2020) ,0 response  to Trump's  rhetoric and I can go on an on .  In the other thread you admitted that you are not read up on any of the Trump cases, but you still for some reason think you are justified in thinking that people who are against Trump must be because they have TDS , even though  you have 0 way to justify that + you are again admittedly ignorant about Trump.

You couldn't even concede some a basic fact (which is actually a necessary requirement for democracy to work), where we agree that there is such a thing as being delusional. If you can't even agree on that, then you need to acknowledge  the epistemic environement thats entailed from the "there is no delusion position"  - where we end up in a world,  where there is no way to solve some disagreements rationally  (because there is no mutual epistemic foundation to start from) ,so  we necessarily end up falling back on using force. 

 

 

The game here is not just purely about being persusive in a way so that you can change the given person's mind  ( in this case Trump's mind). Trash-talk can be effective to move your side to vote against a given candidate,  it can energize the in-group and create a stronger bond in the in-group which can be good for cooperation (the in-group outgroup divide and fight is not necessarily bad in all cases and in all context) , it can sometimes be effective to make that person feel bad (which can be good and can be an effective tool against some bad actors and sometimes bad actors wont stop and wont give a fuck about anything until you become more harsh with them). So those are just a few reasons, entertainment can also be added there.

We have already talked about this in the Terrence Howard thread, where you had no good response to this, but you still seem to be mainting this naive position where you deny all the negative downsides that are entailed - where bullying and trash-talk is never okay. 1 Issue with that is that you infinitely enable bad behaviour because you can never strike back and you infinitely legitimize bad behaviour and delusional thinking . There are some actors who are bad faith and wont stop their behavior unless you start to be more harsh. 2) If you engage in this dynamic where you have high standards for only your side and you give infinite leeway and excuses for the other side , then you inevitably set up your side to lose (this is game-theoretically a dumb move to do) and you also create an environement where you maximize the damage and exploitiation that bad faith actors can do , since there is 0 constraint and 0 repercussion and on the top of that you give constraints and repercussion only to your side which makes this whole dynamic extra bad, and you are playing a lose game.