UFO Hearing Live: Pentagon UFO report finds 21 cases that can't be explained.

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gurais this what your referring to with your blog post of human beings as epistemic pigs? It's wild listening to these people talk and discuss about this. This is a cutting edge discovery of the human mind in the 21 century to see UFOs, and foreign life, but the discussion is limited by reasonable deduction based on the materialistic paradigms of intellectual rationalism.

[ExploringReality]

https://www.youtube.com/live/IaPNplVpsH0?si=rWrDE4tVq6g05PbK

[OBEler]

11 hours content:

Let's discuss.

[What Am I]

I've seen enough circumstantial evidence to be convinced of its reality, and I've been convinced for a very long time. But I don't think this forum's members are predisposed towards buying into something so seemingly farfetched. The materialistic paradigms mentioned in the OP are not so easily bypassed.

[OBEler]

This whole UFO thing right now is an America thing for me.

In my little country Germany there was NEVER any mysterious UFO case. at all. In Europe very few cases.

So I need to believe in American reports. However  America is a culture of sensation and effects (look at trump) and full of fake news, corruption, church wanna believe nonsense. Sorry for this polemic response, just my thoughts how I feel right now on this UFO topic.

However this UFO phenomenon is a rabbit hole I am willing to investigate. This phenomenon cannot just be a cultural thing so I feel I am wrong. But I need more evidence.

Edited Sunday at 09:18 PM by OBEler

[What Am I]

7 minutes ago, OBEler said:

This whole UFO thing right now is an America thing for me.

In my little country Germany there was NEVER any mysterious UFO case. at all. In Europe very few cases.

So I need to believe in American reports. However  America is a culture of sensation and effects (look at trump) and full of fake news, corruption, church wanna believe nonsense. Sorry for this polemic response, just my thoughts how I feel right now on this UFO topic.

Very fair if that's your experience. It's most certainly a worldwide phenomenon though, even if the German people don't commonly discuss it or include it in popular media. I'm fairly certain it's been reported in practically all corners of the globe, and depending on what you're considering as potential evidence, the reports go back in time for millennia.

But I won't even bother going too far in trying to convince anyone. Without indisputable evidence provided by a trusted central authority, I can understand why someone wouldn't be quick to judge it as real. You'll just need to dig into it yourself and see if there's enough there to allow your mind to bridge the gap of disbelief.

7 minutes ago, OBEler said:

However this UFO phenomenon is a rabbit hole I am willing to investigate. This phenomenon cannot just be a cultural thing so I feel I am wrong. But I need more evidence.

This is the way. Take a very honest look for yourself and see what you think. At some point, you may conclude that the confluence of data is too much to ignore.

[Yimpa]

11 hours ago, ExploringReality said:

is this what your referring to with your blog post of human beings as epistemic pigs?

 

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, OBEler said:

In Europe very few cases.

False.

You just aren't educated on the case history.

The earliest alien spacecraft was recovered in Europe.

Edited Monday at 03:39 AM by Leo Gura

[RightHand]

During my last acid trip, I was watching one of Leo's videos, and he started transforming into an alien. The less uncomfortable I felt with his transformation, the more it seemed like he was speaking directly to me—almost as if I was tuning into the right frequency.

Who knows if it's related 

[The Renaissance Man]

20 hours ago, OBEler said:

In Europe very few cases.

https://www.centroufologiconazionale.net/avvistamenti/CasisticaCunItalia1900-2008.pdf

Sightings in Italy only from 1900 to 2008 (50 per page, 212 page document = 10.000 sightings), and 99% of them are from 1950 onwards, so 10.000 sightings in 60 years

In more recent reports they explain how they have a procedure of asking further questions to determine if the sighting was not Starlink satellites, airplanes, the ISS, camera defects, drones, natural phenomena, etc.

Edited Monday at 05:26 PM by The Renaissance Man

[What Am I]

19 minutes ago, The Renaissance Man said:

https://www.centroufologiconazionale.net/avvistamenti/CasisticaCunItalia1900-2008.pdf

Sightings in Italy only from 1900 to 2008 (50 per page, 212 page document = 10.000 sightings), and 99% of them are from 1950 onwards, so 10.000 sightings in 60 years

Thanks for the contribution. I wasn't aware of that document.

This whole thing is profoundly more universally present than many realize, and the history goes back long before any of us were born.

[The Renaissance Man]

@What Am I I discovered this document because my father in 1983 saw a massive UFO (like 50 meters/150 feet or something), disc shape, full of lights, completely silent, flying low and super slowly.

Then after 40 years I checked the name of the city and the date, and I found it in this database.

He did not report it, nor knew about the existence of a list of reports. He just told me the story, and apparently someone else saw it as well (there were hundreds of people, it was a town event about midnight)

At the same time I do think how the fuck did nobody take a picture???? But my dad isn't crazy, he's a chill, normal guy, and he was 18 at the time, not 8... He's not even into UFOs at all nor conspiracy theories. He just treats it like a cool fact, that's it. 

Edited Monday at 05:20 PM by The Renaissance Man

[Cireeric]

This is crazy: https://mace.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/mace.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/Cannon 212_20241113_154539.pdf

Published a few days ago by the Department of Defense and a summarization of the investigations.

There are 6 categories of UAPS described -  next to the classic saucer, the "tictac", the craziest one the "organic" flying jellyfish types. 

Edited Monday at 05:31 PM by Cireeric

[Scholar]

I want to see footage.

[What Am I]

4 hours ago, The Renaissance Man said:

@What Am I I discovered this document because my father in 1983 saw a massive UFO (like 50 meters/150 feet or something), disc shape, full of lights, completely silent, flying low and super slowly.

Then after 40 years I checked the name of the city and the date, and I found it in this database.

He did not report it, nor knew about the existence of a list of reports. He just told me the story, and apparently someone else saw it as well (there were hundreds of people, it was a town event about midnight)

At the same time I do think how the fuck did nobody take a picture???? But my dad isn't crazy, he's a chill, normal guy, and he was 18 at the time, not 8... He's not even into UFOs at all nor conspiracy theories. He just treats it like a cool fact, that's it. 

Damn, pretty wild stuff. I bet there's large numbers of individuals throughout history with similar stories.

4 hours ago, Scholar said:

I want to see footage.

I think for a person of your type, you'd be the last I'd expect to give the topic any credence. Considering the lack of available high-quality evidence, easily crossing the chasm of belief just wouldn't be very scholarly.

That's cool you're at least interested in seeing more, though. There's plenty to be found, even if each piece isn't determinative in itself. It's been said that we're either seeing the most epic case of long-running mass delusion ever or the most profound revelation for humanity ever. After everything, I lean strongly towards the latter, but I can understand the former.

Edited Monday at 10:08 PM by What Am I

[Scholar]

23 hours ago, What Am I said:

I think for a person of your type, you'd be the last I'd expect to give the topic any credence. Considering the lack of available high-quality evidence, easily crossing the chasm of belief just wouldn't be very scholarly.

That's cool you're at least interested in seeing more, though. There's plenty to be found, even if each piece isn't determinative in itself. It's been said that we're either seeing the most epic case of long-running mass delusion ever or the most profound revelation for humanity ever. After everything, I lean strongly towards the latter, but I can understand the former.

I don't care much about the topic, but I don't think it's unreasonable that aliens might exist and observe us. Most people who are self-proclaimed rationalists do not dismiss the UFO phenomena because they evaluated the genuine possibility or impossibility of such things, but merely engage in peer-pressure driven cultural enforcement. Most human beings are profoundly susceptible to peer pressure. You can test this by looking at the arguments people provide against the phenomenon, like there not being clear footage despite everyone owning a smartphone. It's frustrating that people will literally not think past whatever confirms their biases, because it should be obvious to anyone who used a smartphone that you can't take high quality images of anything that is even moderately far away.

I haven't done much research, but given what is reported in the Nimitz encounters, it seems the only reasonable explanation is aliens, or there is some effort to spread falsehood. Epistemically, I find it dubious that most people dismiss that case. If what was reported is true, then in my view the explanation of extraterrestials probably outweighs most other explanations that people like to provide, in terms of likelihood.

Edited Tuesday at 09:52 PM by Scholar

[What Am I]

10 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I don't care much about the topic, but I don't think it's unreasonable that aliens might exist and observe us. Most people who are self-proclaimed rationalists do not dismiss the UFO phenomena because they evaluated the genuine possibility or impossibility of such things, but merely engage in peer-pressure driven cultural enforcement. Most human beings are profoundly susceptible to peer pressure. You can test this by looking at the arguments people provide against the phenomenon, like there not being clear footage despite everyone owning a smartphone. It's frustrating that people will literally not think past whatever confirms their biases, because it should be obvious to anyone who used a smartphone that you can't take high quality images of anything that is even moderately far away.

Excellent point; that type of thing really does seem to be the cause of so much behavior these days. It's the path of least resistance, which so many are more than happy to slide down.

10 minutes ago, Scholar said:

I haven't done much research, but given what is reported in the Nimitz encounters, it seems the only reasonable explanation is aliens, or there is some effort to spread falsehood. Epistemically, I find it dubious that most people dismiss that case. If what was reported is true, then in my view the explanation of extraterrestials probably outweighs most other explanations that people like to provide, in terms of likelihood.

Exactly, and there are countless other cases that defy ordinary explanation. Sprinkle on top the fact that credible government officials are assuming whistleblower status and screaming it from the rooftops, and it becomes very interesting indeed. Like I was hinting, though, there's some evidence this stretches quite a ways back in human history. The real answers may be shocking, and truth could actually be stranger than fiction.

Edited Tuesday at 10:00 PM by What Am I

[OBEler]

On 18.11.2024 at 4:39 AM, Leo Gura said:

False.

You just aren't educated on the case history.

The earliest alien spacecraft was recovered in Europe.

I asked Chatgpt4. Which case is it.

 

1. The Black Forest Incident (1936, Germany)
Some UFO enthusiasts speculate that a UFO allegedly crashed in the Black Forest of Germany in 1936. According to the story, the Nazi regime recovered the craft and attempted to reverse-engineer its technology, potentially influencing some of their advanced weaponry. This claim lacks credible evidence and is largely considered a conspiracy theory.

2. The Ubatuba UFO Fragments (1957, Brazil, with alleged European connection)
Though this occurred in Brazil, fragments were reportedly sent to laboratories in Europe for analysis. Some UFO theorists link this case to international recovery efforts involving European scientists.

3. The Rendlesham Forest Incident (1980, UK)
While not a spacecraft recovery, this is one of the most famous UFO cases in Europe. U.S. Air Force personnel stationed at RAF Woodbridge in Suffolk reported strange lights and a possible craft landing in the forest. Despite extensive investigations, no evidence of a crash or recovery has been verified.

4. Alleged Vatican UFO Secrets
Some conspiracy theories suggest that the Vatican has knowledge of or has recovered alien technology, including spacecraft. These claims often cite supposed Vatican observatories or secret archives.

[Leo Gura]

@OBEler America's first UFO craft was supposedly recovered from fascist Italy.