No, a cave is not aways the best place for enlightenment.

[ChrisZoZo]

When you interact with people this brings up habit of ego. Simply by staying at the witnessing place. You train the ego to not come up. 

Now if you say went to a cave and meditated for 6 years attain the state of permanent awareness of the self. Then you go up to someone just to be triggered and acted egotistically. When average joe could never be triggered by listening to an enlighten master every day and implying what he says. Learning to train the habit. If then average joe does sadana all other times he will be ahead of you even though you were in a cave for 6 years. 

So have great appreciation for tough people because they are great training tools to rapidly accelerate yourself and towards enlightenment.

 

[Atb210201]

For sure.

Amen.

Om.

[Hojo]

When you go into the Earth you start experiencing things. The space is different. Bears arent experiencing nothing all winter they are tripping.

Edited 8 hours ago by Hojo

[Buck Edwards]

Yea sometimes comes from suffering. Amen. 

[James123]

@ChrisZoZo have you ever stay in a cave?

I did. First couple days was the one of the most boring in days in my life. However, when days passed I started to realize that all those people are within not out. I created them as I created you. End of the retreat i have realized that all those people are illusion, because the one who creates people is an illusion in first place.

İ recommend you to have retreat within darkness and silence. İ stayed close to 6 months. Not sure how many days i stayed. Because, after a time there will no more time frame, understanding of the time. All moments becomes same. 

[creativepursuit]

9 hours ago, ChrisZoZo said:

Simply by staying at the witnessing place. You train the ego to not come up.

Nope, the Ego dissolves at the witnessing place and all that is left is the Self alone. Then when you interact with people, the pure self is shining through you, not the Ego.

Noice that training the Ego by living in the world is just an illusion as the ego itself is an illusion and inanimate.

[ChrisZoZo]

18 minutes ago, creativepursuit said:

Nope, the Ego dissolves at the witnessing place and all that is left is the Self alone. Then when you interact with people, the pure self is shining through you, not the Ego.

I disagree from my experience. I have been in the witnessing place the someone triggers ego. Some force of habit wants to go into that mind form. If the force is too much you will go into it. Don’t get me wrong my examples is a bit exaggerated I would say that even in a cave with enough time you can unlearn habits just not always as fast. 

Moojiji talks about in the early days of his teachings he would be judgemental because the ego form is still coming up.

Edited 1 hour ago by ChrisZoZo

[ChrisZoZo]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

have you ever stay in a cave?

Basically all my organisation and resources are going to a retreat of sort long term not one week. I have very advanced spiritual guides that will tell me what is best for me then I will follow through. So if it’s off to a cave, then I will do it if I can afford it.

[ChrisZoZo]

6 hours ago, James123 said:

İ recommend you to have retreat within darkness and silence.

I plan to do it soon. I even learned of doing the middle pillar exercise and moving the light flow down your spine in order to bring up your subconscious. Then once I learned that my subconscious is okay then I can go for it. 

[creativepursuit]

6 minutes ago, ChrisZoZo said:

. I have been in the witnessing place the someone triggers ego

You can't function without the Ego, you need to stick your head back when you come out of the cave, but don't just stick it, stick it with honey. The ego has its function to play for example, you can utilize the Ego to set goals for you.

[James123]

7 minutes ago, ChrisZoZo said:

Basically all my organisation and resources are going to a retreat of sort long term not one week. I have very advanced spiritual guides that will tell me what is best for me then I will follow through. So if it’s off to a cave, then I will do it if I can afford it.

I think you can afford it. But, imo before you go, start to eat vegetables. Bring with you as much as vegetables that will not go bad. I did retreat with the group and my self alone. Alone was the best.

 

8 minutes ago, ChrisZoZo said:

I plan to do it soon. I even learned of doing the middle pillar exercise and moving the light flow down your spine in order to bring up your subconscious. Then once I learned that my subconscious is okay then I can go for it. 

Good. 

[ChrisZoZo]

2 minutes ago, creativepursuit said:

You can't function without the Ego, you need to stick your head back when you come out of the cave, but don't just stick it, stick it with honey.

Can you say again sounds like some good advice, but I don’t quite understand what you mean. With the honey.

[creativepursuit]

10 minutes ago, ChrisZoZo said:

Some force of habit wants to go into that mind form.

You are right about this. The ego is really powerful. Even sages who spent 15 years meditating in the Himalayas, can get angry because ultimately it's about Survival. 
Truth can get you killed, literally—for example, Mahatma Gandhi.

[James123]

6 minutes ago, creativepursuit said:

You are right about this. The ego is really powerful. Even sages who spent 15 years meditating in the Himalayas, can get angry because ultimately it's about Survival. 
Truth can get you killed, literally—for example, Mahatma Gandhi.

Ego is the universe. Ego never leaves, only can domesticated.

[creativepursuit]

2 minutes ago, ChrisZoZo said:

I don’t quite understand what you mean

This is how the Alchemist viewed the unconscious. If you want to explore something new/unconscious, first remove your head, put it carefully near a tree, and remember this place. Go to the forest and learn to see things as it is. Once you are done, come back to the tree and put your head back carefully but not just with any glue, a glue that has sweetness, meaning you come back to the world with a more integrative mindset. This ego is not the same ego that left for the forest. it's more expanded. That's the message.

[creativepursuit]

16 minutes ago, James123 said:

Ego never leaves, only can domesticated

Ego is not a bad thing. If there is a crack in the mirror, the reflection will be fragmented and will look divided into many pieces. That's what the world does to our ego. But, your pure self, the one who is looking in the mirror, is always there witnessing unaffected by crack and blemishes. 

[James123]

5 minutes ago, creativepursuit said:

Ego is not a bad thing. If there is a crack in the mirror, the reflection will be fragmented and will look divided into many pieces. That's what the world does to our ego. But, your pure self, the one who is looking in the mirror, is always there witnessing unaffected by crack and blemishes. 

The world is not different than your ego. Because, when you realize deep enough, you realize that ego is the universe. It is not a bad thing but you suffer because of it. 

[creativepursuit]

yes, suffering is inevitable, the choice is ours whether we want to suffer out of ignorance or out of sweetness and appreciation for God/Reality.