Challenge my motivation to eat a vegan diet

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Something Funny said:

What impractical levels? The only thing you came up with was pets, which I don't see the issue with as long as the animal is healthy and is getting all the necessary nutrients.

It's not about the number of examples. It's about how far did they push the line over of sensibility with their ideology. And for me making pets becoming vegetarian is way over the line. 

4 hours ago, Something Funny said:

And lab grown meat is promising (unfortunately, meat industry is actively lobbying to ban it). If more people supported veganism as a whole, there would be more push for lab grown meat to become mainstream. 

Lab meat... That sounds like another utopian vegan fantasy. 

Before you know it some vegan will invent an astronaut costume where you can breathe your own air without killing the bacteria and drink your own urine with added vitamins to survive. 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:32 PM by Salvijus

[Schizophonia]

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Salvijus https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/oct/20/vegan-pet-food-as-healthy-for-cats-and-dogs-as-meat-says-veterinary-professor

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0253292

 

If you care about your dog you don't feed him on enriched kibble.

Humans can live a long live even with a bad hygiene of life, so it's reasonable to think you can life and function on Feed bars.

Doesn't mean you want to feed yourself with feed bars, doesn't means it will optimal for your well being.

 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

If you care about your dog you don't feed him on enriched kibble.

One sniff from my dog at an enriched kibble and he will look at me like I'm an idiot lol.

[Something Funny]

29 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Lab meat... That sounds like another utopian vegan fantasy. 

Before you know it some vegan will invent an astronaut costume where you can breathe your own air without killing the bacteria and drink your own urine with added vitamins to survive. 

Just say that you are not into having a serious discussion with those stupid straw man examples.

Lab grown meat is a thing already.

30 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

It's not about the number of examples. It's about how far did they push the line over of sensibility with their ideology. And for me making pets becoming vegetarian is way over the line. 

3 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Oh okay, so you have one example that is not even correct , got it.

Brutal torture and slaughter of millions of animals is not over the line.

Breeding animals to make money of them is not over the line.

Breeding animal for looks, causing them to have all sorts of health issues is not over the line.

Dumping animals in shelter is not over the line.

Feeding your dog a vegan diet (that you judge while having close to zero knowledge about it) is over the line.

Makes perfect sense.
 

17 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

If you care about your dog you don't feed him on enriched kibble.

Humans can live a long live even with a bad hygiene of life, so it's reasonable to think you can life and function on Feed bars.

Doesn't mean you want to feed yourself with feed bars, doesn't means it will optimal for your well being.

 

And what's the basis of you saying that. Do you have any expierence with dogs being fed vegan diets and know how their well being is?

I am sure whatever crap kibble they feed to the dogs in the animal shelter before killing them off is much better though...

God forbid someone decided to adopt them and give them vegan food. That would be atrocious, way over the line.

[Salvijus]

@Something Funny

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

Feeding your dog a vegan diet (that you judge while having close to zero knowledge about it

You probably missed my previous comment in a previous page. 

[Schizophonia]

I love meat, fish, sea foods and dairies ; They are the most nutritious and tasty food.

I have myself killed and prepared some hen some years ago, i understand breeding conditions can make our ego tick for certain reasons but i don't care about animal life. There is something strange and hypocritical about claiming to "love animals" (what does that even mean?) when often the people concerned do not want to have real responsibilities like starting a business, a family, having friend and sometimes are not even able to find a sexual partner yet. Same story for the guys who gorge themselves on psychedelics, talk about love all the time, i see it as an easy strategy to gain power and play the "savior".

Beans, grains and most of vegetables doesn't taste good, in all cuisine of worlds they are well prepared (soaked, fermented, well cooked...) and are served in moderate amount in a complete dish with animal products and fats.

Unless having low calorific needs, basing our diet on those products is unbearable.

This is what I experienced when I was in high school and not only it was bad but i also developed irritable bowel syndrome attacks from beans and whole grains ; Directly stopped after having returned to a normal diet with plenty of meat as the main source of protein. Vegans "cheat" all the time and stuff themselves with tofu or tempeh, to get a decent amount of protein with a relatively pleasant texture.

 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

Lab grown meat is a thing already.

I hope you enjoy it lol. 

[Something Funny]

49 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

No it's just my common sense speaking that animals don't do well on synthetic food and veggies. I had a dog myself so I know. 

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

Oh well, my common sense is saying that you are talking our of your ass and have no actual knowledge or experience to back it up.

 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

Oh okay, so you have one example that is not even correct , got it

Making pets vegetarian is over the line in my judgement and opinion. I don't know how you came to that reasoning that vegetarian pets are a real thing. You're welcome to believe that. I won't try to stop you. 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

Oh well, my common sense is saying that you are talking our of your ass and have no actual knowledge or experience to back it up.

 

It's fair. You can have that opinion I don't mind. 

[Schizophonia]

7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

And what's the basis of you saying that. Do you have any expierence with dogs being fed vegan diets and know how their well being is?

I am sure whatever crap kibble they feed to the dogs in the animal shelter before killing them off is much better though...

God forbid someone decided to adopt them and give them vegan food. That would be atrocious, way over the line.

Yes and if I lived in Darfur in a trash can I wouldn't complain about not sleeping.

[Something Funny]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Vegans "cheat" all the time and stuff themselves with tofu or tempeh, to get a decent amount of protein with a relatively pleasant texture.

How is tofu or tempeh cheating, lol?
 

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Beans, grains and most of vegetables doesn't taste good, in all cuisine of worlds they are well prepared (soaked, fermented, well cooked...) and are served in moderate amount in a complete dish with animal products and fats.

 

Not my fault you can't cook

[Schizophonia]

23 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

One sniff from my dog at an enriched kibble and he will look at me like I'm an idiot lol.

Lol.

Afterwards I trolled a little with the dog story.

[Salvijus]

@Something Funny look we need to wrap this up somehow, we can't continue like this forever. Let's just say the practicality of eliminating meat from the diet is still a debatable matter. Can we agree on that much and leave it at that? We are not going to solve this debate ourselves. It's too complicated and we are not scientists ourselves. 

Edited yesterday at 03:13 PM by Salvijus

[Something Funny]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

Making pets vegetarian is over the line in my judgement and opinion. I don't know how you came to that reasoning that vegetarian pets are a real thing. You're welcome to believe that. I won't try to stop you. 

Yeah, and I gave you examples of how hypocritical it is. 

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

Yeah, and I gave you examples of how hypocritical it is. 

I don’t disagree with your statements that we are too cruel to the animals. I very much agree that we should reduce that. 

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

How is tofu or tempeh cheating, lol

Because you need a specific processed food because eating the equivalent in beans is just unpleasant.
Eating a lot of starch in general is unpleasant.

4 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Not my fault you can't cook

I need more than 1000kcal per day.

[Something Funny]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

Because you need a specific processed food because eating the equivalent in beans is just unpleasant.
Eating a lot of starch in general is unpleasant.

I guess chewing on raw meat is very pleasant.

[Something Funny]

@Salvijus it's actually crazy how brainwashed people are, just because they've been living in a society that kills and abuses animals since they were born. Just think about it from the perspective of an alien.

Scenario one:

Breeding an animal and then buying it to keep as a pet for your personal gratification. 

Causing it many genetic health issues due to breeding them to look "cute"

Brutally killing hundreds of other animals over the span of many years to feed it.

In some cases, dumping it in a shelter to get euthanised because you got bored of it or it's too much of a pain in the ass.

Scenario two:

Adopting the dumped animal, feeding it maybe not the best but mostly okay diet while avoiding deaths of hundreds of other animals.

 

The idea that the second option is the radical one is bewildering to me.

To me it sounds like a decent, reasonable compromise.

 

Edited yesterday at 03:32 PM by Something Funny

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

@Salvijus it's actually crazy how brainwashed people are, just because they've been living in a society that kills and abuses animals since they were born. Just think about it from the perspective of an alien.

Scenario one:

Breeding an animal and then buying it to keep as a pet for your personal gratification. 

Causing it many genetic health issue due to breeding them to look "cute"

Brutally killing hundreds of other animals over the span of many years to feed it.

In some cases, dumping it in a shelter to get euthanised because you got bored of it or it's too much of a pain in the ass.

Scenario two:

Adopting the dumped animal, feeding it maybe not the best but mostly okay diet while avoiding deaths of hundreds of other animals.

 

The idea that the second option is the radical one is bewildering to me.

To me it sounds like a decent, reasonable compromise.

 

@Something Funny  yea that second scenario sounds better than the first one. But life is more complicated then that imo. 

Edited yesterday at 03:45 PM by Salvijus