Challenge my motivation to eat a vegan diet

[Something Funny]

@Sincerity when I close my eyes, put my palms together, and think about how I love animals, I feel warm and fuzzy feeling in my chest.

I don't understand what else I am supposed to feel from a proper reason and what that reason is.

[Schizophonia]

Because men aren't herbivores, we evolved with a meat based diet ; Meat and fat will remain the most enjoyable foods to consume.

We are by default very sensitive and helpless "just in case", then neuroplasticity is supposed to do its job to remove helplessness, excessive pity and unnecessary limiting mechanisms in general.

Since we are in a comfort society, there will certainly be more and more vegans and stuff like that.

 

[Something Funny]

@Schizophonia my parent's dog is a herbivore.

[Schizophonia]

9 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Schizophonia my parent's dog is a herbivore.

Lol, poor dog.

 

Can't wait having my German shepherd to share big beef entrecotes with him.

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[Something Funny]

@Schizophonia I am serious though. Every time I take him for a walk, he will just stop and start eating grass. And he won't stop until you drag him away. And he actually lies down, doesn't move an inch, and makes you drag him.

[Schizophonia]

1 minute ago, Something Funny said:

@Schizophonia I am serious though. Every time I take him for a walk, he will just stop and start eating grass. And he won't stop until you drag him away. And he actually lies down, doesn't move an inch, and makes you drag him.

Dogs also eat grass to purge themselves. They can also just like random things.

One of my mother's cats loved crepes.

[Sincerity]

19 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Sincerity when I close my eyes, put my palms together, and think about how I love animals, I feel warm and fuzzy feeling in my chest.

I don't understand what else I am supposed to feel from a proper reason and what that reason is.

Here's what I advise you. Disregard the veganism/animals for a moment. Think about what you live for in general. What do you currently want to develop in life the most? What energy/trait/value? What do you wish to become the most?

This profound, general inner reason could be the answer to your veganism motivation, and other things as well.

Random examples:

"My recent struggles and experiences in general have been requiring from me that I develop FOCUS in life. I want to be FOCUSED. How can I use this reason towards veganism? Well, since I really care about the animals, I want to be FOCUSED on what I care about most and thus I WILL stick to my vegan diet. I'll do it for FOCUS. I'll do it for ME, because I want it the most in life right now."

"I really want to develop WISDOM in life right now. I want to be WISE. That's what life has been leading me to. How can I use this reason towards veganism? Hmm... well, I really care about the animals and I realize it is wise to follow my heart and my truth in spite of intrusive thoughts and cravings. I want to be WISE and thus I WILL stick to my vegan diet, because this is respecting myself and otherwise I will feel shit about myself in life, and I know that's not worth it. I'll do it for WISDOM. I'll do it for ME, because I want it the most in life right now."

I deliberately tried to come up with traits that don't necessarily have anything to do with veganism on the surface. But here's the crucial insight: when you have a profound inner reason for being, you can rationalize pretty much ANY action with it. You just have to convince yourself towards using a certain energy for a certain thing. You literally have to carve a path in your mind - from an energy pool to a desired behaviour/action! And you CAN convince yourself of anything. This is very profound.

In short, focus on what YOU want about YOURSELF the most and then go from there. USE THE ENERGY WHERE IT'S PRESENT!

Do with this advice what you will. Might click with you, might not. This is my wisdom. Good luck. 

Edited 16 hours ago by Sincerity

[Something Funny]

Just now, Schizophonia said:

One of my mother's cats loved crepes.

Who doesn't?

[Something Funny]

@Sincerity ok, thank you

[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Who doesn't?

[Sugarcoat]

1 hour ago, Something Funny said:

@Sugarcoat I don't like to use terms good or bad, but yeah, I don't want animals to be killed, period.

Ok I see

[Buck Edwards]

7 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Buck Edwards sorry, I know you are a nice person, but this is really stupid. Just your run of the mill dumb anti-vegan "gotcha" arguments. I expected more from actualized.org, to be honest.

Everyone has a good heart and everyone is a good person. Nobody is eating meat because they want to kill animals. Sorry but I expected more out of you than calling others stupid. It wasn't an anti-vegan aegument. You can always be a vegan if you truly want to be. I was a vegan for a whole year and I didn't need any motivation for that. Yet it caused a drop in my nutrition levels in the end so I gave up. To each his own. It's not okay to ask others for motivation when the motivation should be intrinsic, it's like you just want to anger people who eat meat or make them feel less which is usually the general rhetoric of the forum. And nobody is a saint for being vegan because they still hurt plants. 

 

[Something Funny]

@Buck Edwards it's like you didn't read the post, the title, or my response to you at all, and just decided to bang your head against the keyboard to see what words happen to pop up. Or have zero reading comprehension skills. Or bad english. IDK.

9 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

It's not okay to ask others for motivation when the motivation should be intrinsic

The title says: "CHALLENGE MY MOTIVATION" yet somehow you literally made it out to be the opposite of what I wrote.

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it's like you just want to anger people who eat meat or make them feel less which is usually the general rhetoric of the forum

Please show me a single bad word that I wrote about people who eat meat.

9 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

And nobody is a saint for being vegan

Multiple times in my responses I've said how I don't believe in calling things good or bad, but you've successfully ignored it and spun your own narrative about saints.

9 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

You can always be a vegan if you truly want to be.

I have clearly stated that I don't consider myself to be vegan, which you also ignored.

It's like you saw the word "vegan" in the title, you brain scanned itself for all associations you've ever had with that word, and then you just poured them all out, with no regard to what my post was actually about...

9 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

because they still hurt plants. 

9 hours ago, Buck Edwards said:

It wasn't an anti-vegan argument.

Okay, I am going to address this idiotic point since you don't wanna drop it... 

IT IS an anti-vegan argument. It is literally the most common, retarded argument, that every idiot uses when they want to debate a vegan person. It is so cliche that it has become a literal meme in the vegan community.

Even if we accept you premise of "plants feel pain too", veganism would still be the best option to reduce the suffering of both plants and animal, as well as to minimise your environmental impact as much as possible in general since livestock industry requires a shit ton of crops to sustain itself. It is also responsible for deforestation and pollution of the environment. 

Or did you think all those cows that you eat grow from sunshine?

But of course it's much more convenient to have an all or nothing mentality and be like "well, plants feel pain too, and all living being consume each other to exist, so veganism doesn't matter. Nobody is a saint". And then people go and call vegans naive, vegans who actually adopt a way more grounded realistic approach of trying to minimise their impact and suffering they cause as much as they can vs just being like "ehh, there is always some suffering anyway, might as well throw in a few genocides for a good measure". 

 

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[Something Funny]

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[numbersinarow]

What do I challenge? There's no propositions at all, just a subjective statement which could be true no matter what variable you have.

Or is the proposition "If one loves animals one ought to be a vegan."?

It doesn't really make much sense considering that you going vegan will still result in animal slaughter continuing.

You can post massively biased vegan memes but you DO probably care about not just suffering, but killing, if you have empathy. And vegans kill plants and the bacteria in their body, they aren't willing to case living in order to make their body stop killing bacteria. That argument is invalid to them. Well, to a meat eater, you apply the same logic to animals, and to them, that argument is invalid. What a similarity. You can't POSSIBLY think there's an objective way to decide that the bacteria are inferior to animals. This amounts to a huge amount of bias and self-justification for an emotional decision.

[Buck Edwards]

18 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

What do I challenge? There's no propositions at all, just a subjective statement which could be true no matter what variable you have.

Or is the proposition "If one loves animals one ought to be a vegan."?

It doesn't really make much sense considering that you going vegan will still result in animal slaughter continuing.

You can post massively biased vegan memes but you DO probably care about not just suffering, but killing, if you have empathy. And vegans kill plants and the bacteria in their body, they aren't willing to case living in order to make their body stop killing bacteria. That argument is invalid to them. Well, to a meat eater, you apply the same logic to animals, and to them, that argument is invalid. What a similarity. You can't POSSIBLY think there's an objective way to decide that the bacteria are inferior to animals. This amounts to a huge amount of bias and self-justification for an emotional decision.

True. Also plants are killed and vegans assume it's stupid. 

[Something Funny]

3 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

What do I challenge? There's no propositions at all, just a subjective statement which could be true no matter what variable you have.

 

Look at what @Sincerity did with questioning the nature of my motivation and if it's strong enough. This is how people question and discuss things when they have more than 1 brain cell.

5 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

Or is the proposition "If one loves animals one ought to be a vegan."?

It doesn't really make much sense considering that you going vegan will still result in animal slaughter continuing.

This sentence doesn't make sense because going vegan does not result in animal slaughter continuing. You could say that one person going vegan will not stop animal slaughter. But you have to be completely divorced from logic to say that veganism RESULTS in animal slaughter continuing...

And I didn't make that proposition. But if I did, it would make total sense because yes, if you love someone you don't want to harm or kill them. It's that simple. 

9 minutes ago, numbersinarow said:

You can post massively biased vegan memes but you DO probably care about not just suffering, but killing, if you have empathy. And vegans kill plants and the bacteria in their body, they aren't willing to case living in order to make their body stop killing bacteria. That argument is invalid to them. Well, to a meat eater, you apply the same logic to animals, and to them, that argument is invalid. What a similarity. You can't POSSIBLY think there's an objective way to decide that the bacteria are inferior to animals. This amounts to a huge amount of bias and self-justification for an emotional decision.

I love how you are argument is self defeating but you are not even able to realise it. You are saying to how there is no objective way to decide that bacteria is inferior to animals, but then if that's true then buy the same logic there is no reason why death is objectively worse than being alive. And there is no reason why killing is objectively wrong. Or why suffering is objectively bad.

So if nothing is objectively bad, than there is no reason why anyone HAS to care about anything. I don't HAVE to care about killing as a whole. I don't HAVE to care for killing at all.

So how do I decide what do I care about? Based on love, emotions, and personal preference. And based on this I've decided that I care about animal suffering and death more than I care about bacteria.

And I am not going to post why going vegan actually reduce the amount of plants we consume for the third time, it's not my fault you guys can't read.

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I love how vegans try to logic and reason, trying to reduce the suffering and impact they cause and people like you operate based on childish arguments like "Vegans are not willing to die to save the bacteria, so they are hypocrites". What a joke.

[Something Funny]

3 minutes ago, Buck Edwards said:

True. Also plants are killed and vegans assume it's stupid. 

I swear, it's like I am talking to a wall.