Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Jirh]

@zurew I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. And I would argue that it is mostly innocent confusion rather than intended obfuscation that's happening on the other side.

And while I think you're absolutely right, and agree with the entirety of your line of reasoning, as it's absolutely sound and correct, I still feel like there's something missing there. I feel that you hold an intellectual space that is not particularly curious for all possibilities, without attaching to one particular possibility, which is good, but when everything is equally possible, such that it nullifies the essence of what each possibility might contain and bring about in actual experience through intuition, then something feels off for me. Notice that I'm not advocating for solipsism or otherwise any other particular view. Rather, I'm saying there is a deep value in entertaining each possibility on its own, even if it's not 100% logically consistent, and to be more frank and perhaps extreme, I would say even if it's not logically coherent at all. Are you okay with that level of extreme?

[Inliytened1]

On 11/22/2024 at 3:14 AM, Javfly33 said:

@Carl-Richard Good point!

For solipsism to exist first you have to create the concept knowing of there is 'me here' and 'there are others out there'.

And then you have to decide others are not real or imaginary for solipsism to be true. 

So 2 conceptual steps ahead in the mind, nothing related with what spirituality is.

Right it is the collapse of self and other which you as God created.   But you're still a Mind!  It's still a shock to see that everything is held within your Mind and that there is no objective reality!!!  That's a huge deal.  That means that reality is not made of matter.   That changes everything.   So then there is either separate consciousness running around completely isolated or all of those "other consciousnesses" are actually held within your Own!!  Wow.  Infinity of Gods just debunked itself.  Its funny how Leo debunks it himself WHILE doing the episode.

[zurew]

16 minutes ago, Jirh said:

Are you okay with that level of extreme?

Yes, but the consideration of all possibilities can be done in an honest and rigorous and clear and meaningful way. 

For example, even when it comes to terms like "possibility" , its often times unclear what is meant by it. Generally philosophers use it in a way, where they talk about possible worlds, where possible means logical possibility (worlds that abide by the law of non-contradiction). There is an infinite number of worlds like that (we are talking about multiple infinities nested within each other). An endless variety of worlds, each with different laws of physics and each with different metaphysical principles. You have worlds where materialism is true, others where idealism is true. You could even include Leo’s “Infinity of Gods” video within this possibility set. There are also worlds without any conscious agents in them—and much more.

But you can go even further and propose the existence of "impossible worlds." These are worlds that violate the classical laws of logic—most notably, the law of non-contradiction. In such worlds, you might find objects that are fully round and fully square at the same time, worlds where materialism and idealism are both true simultaneously, or worlds where solipsism is both true and false at the same time (not in the way how Razard plays with his words, but in an actual sense).

I think impossible worlds are mostly nonsensical and lead us down the road of gibberish really fast, but they are still interesting and useful in edge cases .

[ChrisZoZo]

When we do logic it’s linear but god does logic it’s infinite absolutely infinite. All possibilities are explored. Infinitely meta thus he KNOWS he is the only one that exists absolutely. 
 

When you have a solipsism realisation it can be imbued with absolute truth. This is god basically telepathically communicating to you that solipsism is absolutely correct.  Because absolutely any possibility that could ever possibly exist he knows then he knows. So he is correct on this understanding. 
 

If you have a realisation that is in imbued with absolute truth you feel the power of absolute truth and you realise it’s one of the most powerful things that can be obtained in consciousness. 

[JoshB]

12 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Right it is the collapse of self and other which you as God created.   But you're still a Mind!  It's still a shock to see that everything is held within your Mind and that there is no objective reality!!!  That's a huge deal.  That means that reality is not made of matter.   That changes everything.   So then there is either separate consciousness running around completely isolated or all of those "other consciousnesses" are actually held within your Own!!  Wow.  Infinity of Gods just debunked itself.  Its funny how Leo debunks it himself WHILE doing the episode.

It's even more radical, profound, and insane then that. 

Yes, he said it deepened and showed him the Absolute nature of solipsism even more. But I took it away as because there are an infinite amount of infinities. 

God can create an infinite number of copies of itself. All completely sovereign. 

Infinity of God(s) 

Would have been a more appropriate title.