Why solipsism is not Absolute

[Javfly33]

@Inliytened1 Have you considered that others are you and also have their own experience right now?

Actual Infinite Non Duality. Wouldn´t that be funny?

The one that broke your heart in Infinite pieces but you don´t remember how you did it. 

[Ishanga]

3 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

@Sincerity Solpsism is a terrible word and really doesn't explain things very well. It actually scares people away.  Oneness is a much better description.   Solipsism came into the topic of non-duality because honestly it makes sense given non-duality.  But the case was oneness in other words everything and everyone was in your mind so how to verbalize this properly.

Well while the problem was there, there  were no solipsists at that time to back up any sort of theory on Solpsism.   And so it just became something to be discussed over on Leo's forum.  But that's really it.

 

I completely Agree here.. Oneness comes via our Individual Experience, we have Individual Bodies and Minds, giving us Individual Experiences at a certain level of Existence, we can at the Ultimate Edge of the Scale Experience Complete Oneness with Everything, no Separation is felt or there, but this is on the Experiential Level within each Individuals Capability, there are still Individuals, with separate Body and Mind complexes that exist on the Physical level which is a part of the Absolute.  

We are the Absolute, but we have Bodies and Minds to deal with, that seems to be what most everyone is forgetting, so we are not "Totally" Absolute, if we were we would not be able to Realize it since there is no Body or Mind to Experience it, here on this plane and realm there Is!

Existence goes from Gross to Subtle, or Subtle to Gross, there are levels and layers to Everything..If one ignores this Truth then they will Suffer for sure...

Edited Friday at 12:20 AM by Ishanga

[Inliytened1]

3 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

@Inliytened1 Have you considered that others are you and also have their own experience right now?

Actual Infinite Non Duality. Wouldn´t that be funny?

The one that broke your heart in Infinite pieces but you don´t remember how you did it. 

Yeah but I also know that this is a dream so it can't be.  You are God lost in a dream.  That's all reality is.  Consciousness can shift states.  It can morph into anything it wants.  A butterfly.   Or a human.  Right now it's a human.

[Breakingthewall]

8 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah but I also know that this is a dream so it can't be.  You are God lost in a dream.  That's all reality is.  Consciousness can shift states.  It can morph into anything it wants.  A butterfly.   Or a human.  Right now it's a human.

15 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

What is god? An entity who is dreaming? Why he does that? Why is he lost? What would happen if that god is not dreaming? Is he something without the dream? What? 

Think about if that god is eternal and is dreaming infinitely, he already dreamed this dream infinite times, why is him doing that? Like a malfunction? 

Edited Friday at 10:48 AM by Breakingthewall

[Javfly33]

18 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yeah but I also know that this is a dream so it can't be.  You are God lost in a dream.  That's all reality is.  Consciousness can shift states.  It can morph into anything it wants.  A butterfly.   Or a human.  Right now it's a human.

Ok, It was just a possibility I was opening Up for you. 

Edited Friday at 09:17 PM by Javfly33

[Breakingthewall]

That about the dream and solipsism is a vision absolutely limited, like a conceptual idea that seems an opening to the reality, but is still in the mind. 

Reality is absolutely unknowable, because it is infinite. The God you speak of is a finite, relative God. Here and now the dance of the cosmos is unfolding, and all you can do is break the boundaries of your mind and open it to the limitless, perceive how you, now, are outside of your human circumstance, this is an appearance. You are floating in infinity, you are infinity. This life, everything that appears to be, is just a shell, just behind it infinity opens, and it is alive. It is you. You are the reality that is. Open yourself to it and look into the face of the unknowable immensity that lives, and dissolve into it, because you are it. And that's it, no god, no dream, just the reality 

[Breakingthewall]

The only thing that you can know is inside yourself, because you are the only thing that exists. This is not solipsism, means that for you the reality is you, and the others don't exist except as "others". It doesn't mean that they don't have real experience, means that it's not your experience, then not the reality, the reality is always you. 

But solipsism says: the others haven't real experience. This is the solipsism that is formulated in the video, if you have another interpretation, call it different. Solipsism means that the others haven't experience, you created them for a reason, to awake or to feel anything. That's solipsism. It's the negation of the others experience, not the affirmation of my experience, then it's just delirium. 

[Carl-Richard]

On 19.12.2024 at 9:53 PM, Sincerity said:

Or at least not what true solipsism is. There's no contrast of "my experience" and "other experience". It's experience, which is the one and only. EXPERIENCE. The end.

Nobody reputable who speaks about non-duality calls it "solipsism". This is purely an invention by Leo, and his entire community suffers as a consequence.

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nobody reputable who speaks about non-duality calls it "solipsism". This is purely an invention by Leo, and his entire community suffers as a consequence.

Solipsism could be resumed in: the other people are not real, they haven't their own conciousness.

If any of you in the past believed the solipsism and now you want to nuance it like: no, it's that everything is one, blablah, no, it's not the solipsism that you believed, dear believers. Solipsism is that you are creating the others to play a video game because you are God and there is nothing else to do being god, then you play with yourself 

Edited yesterday at 11:51 AM by Breakingthewall

[Someone here]

I think the fact that  Leo doesn't give a fuck and comment on this thread is indicative of how pitty and fruitless all this conceptual masturbation is to him.

One is simply either conscious of something or simply he/she is not .

Arguing  for a million years won't cost a direct insight from concepts. 

[Sincerity]

19 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Nobody reputable who speaks about non-duality calls it "solipsism".

Why care about what others say?

19 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

This is purely an invention by Leo, and his entire community suffers as a consequence.

The use of the word was surely popularized by Leo, but the truth behind what's tried to be conveyed stands. Leo did not invent the consciousness of FULLNESS of experience. Fullness mean that this is all that is. A good word, came to me yesterday when trying to look for alternatives to solipsism/openness/aloneness. My ranking of words attempting to describe this truth would be solipsism / fullness > aloneness > oneness. Oneness is last since it does not really clearly imply that experience is full, the one and only.

[Javfly33]

6 hours ago, Sincerity said:

Leo did not invent the consciousness of FULLNESS of experience. Fullness mean that this is all that is. 

As long as 'this' describes Fullness, don´t you think? 

If 'this' does not seem or feel Full, it might happen that we conclude that 'this' is limited. That is a small thing. 

Two examples:

Imagine being in fetal position in your room pitch dark on a corner like this:

In this case, is difficult to see the Fullness of 'this'.

The Fullness of 'this' feels very limited. (unless you just inserted some 5-MeO up your butt and you are just in that corner waiting for it to come up  )

 

Then imagine being like this:

Here reality definetely feels bigger than the other. Here there seems to me more profundity. Here the 'Fullness' goes on and on and on, and on. Here 'this' is matching the 'Fullness'. 

Sometimes you can not fit the Fullness in 'this'. Other times you can. It depends on how available one is to open yourself to the Fullness.

'this' can be cable, a gold superconductor for the Fullness, and become that. Or you can curled up and down the cable in such a way you get yourself into such a mess, you think Life is that, that tangled up cable that you can not untangle.

No wonder why Enlightment, they called it going from Entanglement to Liberation. You have to get the cable straight so the music can sound. (Or the water can flow if is a hose instead of cable, whatever analogy you like the most   

Edited 22 hours ago by Javfly33

[Carl-Richard]

17 hours ago, Sincerity said:

Why care about what others say?

It begs the question: why do you think nobody else uses that word?

 

17 hours ago, Sincerity said:

The use of the word was surely popularized by Leo, but the truth behind what's tried to be conveyed stands.

"There is only me", expounded upon at great length and treated as its own "teaching" (with the infamous Solipsism video), solidified with its own high-sounding word, and the word being "solipsism" (which has a popular interpretation that has nothing to do with non-duality), when your goal is to communicate non-duality, is communicative and metaphysical Russian roulette.

Other non-dual teachers will virtually only mention such a description in passing, as some added flavor, without adding any high-sounding word to it, certainly not a popular one prone to misunderstanding, and at the same time with copious amount of caveats about potential misunderstandings, centering them back to the main teaching; not-twoness.

Edited 10 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Sincerity]

@Javfly33 Cool insights/understanding 👍

@Carl-Richard Agree to disagree. 

[Buck Edwards]

10 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

As long as 'this' describes Fullness, don´t you think? 

If 'this' does not seem or feel Full, it might happen that we conclude that 'this' is limited. That is a small thing. 

Two examples:

Imagine being in fetal position in your room pitch dark on a corner like this:

In this case, is difficult to see the Fullness of 'this'.

The Fullness of 'this' feels very limited. (unless you just inserted some 5-MeO up your butt and you are just in that corner waiting for it to come up  )

 

Then imagine being like this:

Here reality definetely feels bigger than the other. Here there seems to me more profundity. Here the 'Fullness' goes on and on and on, and on. Here 'this' is matching the 'Fullness'. 

Sometimes you can not fit the Fullness in 'this'. Other times you can. It depends on how available one is to open yourself to the Fullness.

'this' can be cable, a gold superconductor for the Fullness, and become that. Or you can curled up and down the cable in such a way you get yourself into such a mess, you think Life is that, that tangled up cable that you can not untangle.

No wonder why Enlightment, they called it going from Entanglement to Liberation. You have to get the cable straight so the music can sound. (Or the water can flow if is a hose instead of cable, whatever analogy you like the most   

Nice. 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

Agree to disagree. 

😴 I disagree to agree. Cmon, at least answer the question I asked, I'm curious what you think.

Edited 10 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Sincerity]

5 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

😴 I disagree to agree. Cmon, at least answer the question I asked, I'm curious what you think.

@Carl-Richard Again, I don't see a point in considering what teachers are saying/not saying. It's a non-factor to me. This question literally doesn't compute for me since I would never ask it and I have zero interest in thinking about it.

[Carl-Richard]

2 hours ago, Sincerity said:

@Carl-Richard Again, I don't see a point in considering what teachers are saying/not saying. It's a non-factor to me. This question literally doesn't compute for me since I would never ask it and I have zero interest in thinking about it.

It's the same as asking why don't most people shoot themselves in the face.

Metaphysical Russian roulette is a risky business and even quite dangerous. It's hard to count how many threads have been made about people having an existential crisis about solipsism and that seem to suffer from their own abstract mental activity rather than the experience of Oneness.

Conversely, very few seem to do the same for the words "Oneness" and "non-duality". The people who do freak out about those things mostly seem to do so because they are having the actual experience and actually underestimated how serious it is (because "Oneness" and "non-duality" sound so warm and welcoming). That's actually a problem in itself, but it's an order of magnitude removed from the solipsism problem.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

@Carl-Richard @Carl-Richard you have no idea what you're blabbering about. 

In Leo's video on "not knowing" he said that the honest answer to the question of solipsism is that he doesn't know . And that's true . 

 Leo himself was confident his experience was the only that existed .he released a 3 hour video on solipsism being the ultimate truth ..then he deleted it because he wasn't sure..and then he released a video rambling on about Infinite Gods. Leo is conscious of how tricky philosophy is .don't think you know better than him.

Be easy on leo..just let the guy do the work and present it in a noncontradictory manner . Maybe that's why Leo is posting videos a lot less .

Solipsism is the most powerful epistemological school of thought amongst the countless philosophies.  I dare you present a solid argument that refute it instead of calling people suffering because of Leo's Solipsism. 

[Carl-Richard]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Carl-Richard @Carl-Richard you have no idea what you're blabbering about. 

In Leo's video on "not knowing" he said that the honest answer to the question of solipsism is that he doesn't know . And that's true . 

 Leo himself was confident his experience was the only that existed .he released a 3 hour video on solipsism being the ultimate truth ..then he deleted it because he wasn't sure..and then he released a video rambling on about Infinite Gods. Leo is conscious of how tricky philosophy is .don't think you know better than him.

Be easy on leo..just let the guy do the work and present it in a noncontradictory manner . Maybe that's why Leo is posting videos a lot less .

@Sincerity And then you have things like this, which is actually an entirely valid observation. Tell me not how much of a mess this is.

Edited 2 hours ago by Carl-Richard